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PRO-LIFE WARNING TO THE REPUBLICAN PARTY
A 2004 pro-life thread brought back to life | 11-13-04 | Vicomte13

Posted on 11/13/2004 6:05:41 AM PST by cpforlife.org

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To: streetpreacher
You have it....I bear no grudges.....(well, a couple, but they don't have anything to do with FR)

Indeed, this issue is a bit hot. I do not mind working with hot stuff, but it seems some posters want to make it personal. I may have lumped you in, as you so stated.

1,541 posted on 11/14/2004 2:23:52 PM PST by Cold Heat (There is more to do! "Mr. Kerry, about that Navy discharge?")
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To: tpaine

Dear tpaine,

I don't think any of your posts demonstrate that any Supreme Court decision from Roe on prevents any woman from seeking and procuring an abortion at any time during her pregnancy.

The Court has permitted a few inconveniences. But no abortions are forbidden, even a partial birth abortion at term.

But again, I thought you had given me the last word between us?

Couldn't abide by that, huh?

sitetest


1,542 posted on 11/14/2004 2:23:58 PM PST by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: cgk; hocndoc; WhistlingPastTheGraveyard; everyone
George W. Bush:

"I believe that life is valuable, even when it is unwanted, even when it is physically imperfect. I believe our society has a responsibility to defend the vulnerable and the weak. And I believe our nation should set a goal: that unborn children should be welcomed in life and protected in law. This is the ideal: a generous society that values every life.
I know there are many steps on this road. A democracy is ruled by consensus, not by edict. Laws are changed as minds are persuaded."

Source: www.georgewbush.com/News "Parental Notification Law" Jun 7, 1999

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To bad that Bush didn't sum up this way:

'I know there are many steps on this road. A democracy [republic] is ruled by consensus [under constitutional law], not by edict. Laws are changed as minds are persuaded.'

Was my 'bumpkin' place-marker pulled because of an abuse complaint from you Graveyard? -- Get a life. I meant no disrespect to Bush.

1,543 posted on 11/14/2004 2:24:26 PM PST by tpaine (No man has a natural right to commit aggression on the equal rights of another. - T. Jefferson)
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To: Howlin

That merely proves that Alan Keyes threads deteriorate into flame wars quickly. It certainly doesn't prove that a "militant" with an itchy trigger finger on the abuse button will get you suspended or banned.

I think the powers-that-be are a little more fair-minded than that.


1,544 posted on 11/14/2004 2:26:45 PM PST by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard (... of 45,000,000 dead innocents.)
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To: tpaine
Was my 'bumpkin' place-marker pulled because of an abuse complaint from you Graveyard? -- Get a life.

Nope. I'm a big boy, I don't do the abuse thing. I just called you a jerkoff.

You may now return to your regularly scheduled half-assed assumptions.

1,545 posted on 11/14/2004 2:28:32 PM PST by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard (... of 45,000,000 dead innocents.)
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To: streetpreacher
Rush accepted personal responsibility for his addiction.

Alan Keyes and his followers have never accepted persona; responsibility for his loses.
1,546 posted on 11/14/2004 2:30:20 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez (Some people see the world as they would want it to be, effective people see the world as it is.)
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To: WhistlingPastTheGraveyard
It certainly doesn't prove that a "militant" with an itchy trigger finger on the abuse button will get you suspended or banned.

Right.

1,547 posted on 11/14/2004 2:36:06 PM PST by Howlin (I love the smell of mandate in the morning.)
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To: Howlin

Well, when it comes to getting people banned or suspended, I guess I'll have to defer to your expertise.


1,548 posted on 11/14/2004 2:37:42 PM PST by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard (... of 45,000,000 dead innocents.)
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To: narses
"The real question for you and the GOP is do you want me (and millions like me) to work with you or against you."

Here's my answer...go seek help from the DNC, see how far your "warning" will get you.

1,549 posted on 11/14/2004 2:39:09 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez (Some people see the world as they would want it to be, effective people see the world as it is.)
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To: Howlin
"Let's all pretend that I'm the ONLY one who questions your credibility around here, okay? I've seen your posts, too."

You folks have certainly thrown enough insults my way, but the "credibility" thing is new.

You are what you are, Howlin. Disparaging me won't give you a makeover.

1,550 posted on 11/14/2004 2:39:44 PM PST by Artist
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To: sitetest
sitetest wrote:

Currently, Roe permits no restrictions of abortion.

Not true. Read the courts opinion. States can regulate late term abortion to protect the rights of the baby.

[The Roe decision also stopped States from prosecuting only ~early term~ abortions as murder.]
Peterson was just convicted in CA of [late term] murder of an unborn baby.

Obviously, you have little regard for the truth of this issue, s-test. Why is that?

You need to read what I wrote before responding to it. States may permit the prosecution of folks OTHER THAN THE MOTHER who harm unborn children.

Specious claim. States have always had the power to prosecute criminal acts.
Are you really this illogical?

What I said was, "Currently, Roe permits no restrictions of abortion." I will expand, if you did not catch my meaning, "Roe permits no real restrictions on induced abortions procured by the mother."

That is not true. States can 'really' regulate late term abortion. Read the court opinion.

What Mr. Peterson did does not fall under "abortion procured by the mother."

Gee, who would have guessed..

In fact, in approving the most mild regulation of abortion (parental notification with judicial bypass, minor waiting periods, etc.), Justice O'Connor has pointed out that any regulation that had the effect of actually denying a woman of any abortion at any time during pregnancy would not pass Roe's scrutiny. sitetest.

Justice O'Connors opinions can be challenged by any State. Feel free to get your State to do so.

sitetest rebuts:
"States can regulate late term abortion to protect the rights of the baby."
So long as it doesn't prevent a woman from procuring an abortion. A distinction without a difference. The ultimate fig leaf of semantics.

That's it? You answer all my arguments above with a bit of 'semantic' bull?

Typical. -- You spout off reams of quasi-legal BS in nearly every post, but when factually challenged you cave.
Whatta joke.

sitetest relies with another qausi legal opinion:


I don't think any of your posts demonstrate that any Supreme Court decision from Roe on prevents any woman from seeking and procuring an abortion at any time during her pregnancy. The Court has permitted a few inconveniences. But no abortions are forbidden, even a partial birth abortion at term.

Do you have a point that rebuts any of mine above?
-- The fact remains.
States can 'really' regulate late term abortion. Read the court opinion.

1,551 posted on 11/14/2004 2:39:46 PM PST by tpaine (No man has a natural right to commit aggression on the equal rights of another. - T. Jefferson)
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To: Cold Heat

no not venting -just commenting on your unwavering pro-life concept lacking practice.

I would suggest you are pro-whatever happens...


1,552 posted on 11/14/2004 2:40:30 PM PST by DBeers
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To: WhistlingPastTheGraveyard

Some jerkoff pushed the button.

And you can take your own "half-assed assumptions" and shove them, "big boy".


1,553 posted on 11/14/2004 2:44:23 PM PST by tpaine (No man has a natural right to commit aggression on the equal rights of another. - T. Jefferson)
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To: Artist

Yep, I am what I am; never denied it or tried to "color it up." Never tried to blackmail anybody with my vote.

Looking at this thread, I'm happy with the people on "my side."


1,554 posted on 11/14/2004 2:45:07 PM PST by Howlin (I love the smell of mandate in the morning.)
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To: DBeers
What I am is pro....... a society that someday considers life of paramount importance, across the entire board.

We may differ on how to get there. In fact, I am quite sure that we differ.

But, barring annihilation by things either controllable or uncontrollable, that goal will probably be achieved, but likely not in my lifetime.

1,555 posted on 11/14/2004 2:47:06 PM PST by Cold Heat (There is more to do! "Mr. Kerry, about that Navy discharge?")
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To: Long Cut

I am an extremist, I make no bones about it or apologies.


1,556 posted on 11/14/2004 2:48:06 PM PST by kjvail (Judica me Deus, et discerne causam meam de gente non sancta)
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To: sitetest
As I've already stated, if folks think that overturning Roe means "all abortions are instantly banned," I agree that most folks will say no. In fact, most folks are led to believe just that.

Thank you for remaining civil and sticking to the issues. I mean that seriously - I know this can be a very emotional debate. :-)

If what you wrote and I quoted is true, then the effort should be to educate the people rather than making the republican party take the political hit.

There are too many important issues in the world today for us to destroy our party over such a risky maneuver. A better solution would be to educate the masses and get overwhelming support before trying to ramrod it through.

The way things are now, if Bush tries to replace a pro-choice judge with a pro-life judge, the republican majority in the senate will be destroyed as Republican senators in blue states will either have to change parties or be booted out of office. The republicans just don't have the numerical superiority to withstand this.

We have tons of republican senators up for reelection in 2006. With the anti-American, socialist tilt that the democrat party has adopted, we cannot as a nation afford to ever let them be in a position of power again.

The best solution is for Bush to avoid the abortion issue completely and only appoint strict constitutionalists.
1,557 posted on 11/14/2004 2:48:49 PM PST by JeffAtlanta
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To: tpaine
Some jerkoff pushed the button.

Well, it wasn't this jerkoff.

If you want to avoid this sort of ugliness in the future, maybe bookmarking posts with one-word cheap shots (seemingly) directed at other posters is a practice you should abandon.

Unless you enjoy this.

1,558 posted on 11/14/2004 2:49:04 PM PST by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard (... of 45,000,000 dead innocents.)
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To: Cold Heat

well said sir.


1,559 posted on 11/14/2004 2:52:22 PM PST by DBeers
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To: DBeers

Well thanks!


1,560 posted on 11/14/2004 2:52:57 PM PST by Cold Heat (There is more to do! "Mr. Kerry, about that Navy discharge?")
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