Posted on 11/13/2004 6:05:41 AM PST by cpforlife.org
Yes, we can. But we should not use the war against terrorism as a smoke screen to avoid winning the war against abortion. I believe that if we fight to end legal abortion, the Lord will help us in the war against terror.
If My people who are called by My name will humble themselves, and pray and seek My face, and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin and heal their land. (2 Chr. 7:14) It couldn't be any clearer than this. The Lord will heal our land, but first we must turn from our wicked ways. Anybody out there who doesn't think abortion is wicked?
BTW, what are the chances of collecting signatures on the "Pro-Life Warning"... I'll be more than glad to sign! I have already flooded the offices of all Republicans in the Judiciary Committee with e-mails expressing my disgust with Sen. Specter.
Hear! hear!
You taunt us that we would give up these gains the party has made and embrace evil governments and even murder if we would get our way. No, we would most emphatically not. But you would sacrifice your party for Senator Arlen Specter and the continuing "right" sacrifice chidren to the gods of this modern age. Who's a nutjob?
She WAS an egg.
Hell, she WAS an egg that WASNT fertilized. I was a SPERM that had not yet gotten to an OVUM. My value now is greater than as a sperm, is it not? Indeed, with the amount of wasted sperm(in the millions) it is kind of ridiculous to equate that microscopic cell with a full-grown, born human being isn't it? Ok, so when the sperm hits the egg, that is the crossover point into being just as valuable and worthy of protection as a 2 month old or 20 year old? Come on.
Again, I'm for restrictions, but I don't equate it from conception to birth like some pro-lifers do. Never will.
Simple minds need to reduce everything to black-and-white.
I support the sentiments expressed. In fact the infanticide issue is one to FIGHT over. My young daughter believes the same. That is two. Hell I'm not even religious it is only common sense. Abortion is murder. Now we have euthanasia arguments. The slipperey slope people are right.
Now just one further question. Suppose an ObGyn aborts a fetus in an operation designed to save the mothers life. Do we bring him up on charges of murder and let a court decide his guilt or innocence? I would think you must insist on this, but if you do, there will be on ObGyns left in the Red States, which isn't exactly a pro-family position. Maybe we just leave everything to nature as god intended it, and returning to a 10% death rate for pregnant women will be ok.
Hey, this is NOT about Specter, to me. Don't even go there, lol.
I'm just making points about the statements I see in this thread and it's not just a standard "pro life" thread to me. That's why I said nutjobs, NOT because you are against abortion, but because of the extremism in some of these statements, many of them being offensive to someone who's seen real human suffering and just cannot equate certain timeframes of abortion with the flipping gulags. Come on, I don't mind the moral arguments, but it is a bit offensive to compare fertilized eggs and embryos(different story later) with the Holocaust. Statements like that will drive people away from the Party and I'm talking about pro-life Dems who might vote for the Republicans too.
I trusted Bush to do the right thing with judicial appointments, and frankly if he allows Specter to interfere with the process in any way that's it, as far as I'm concerned.
The war on terror is extremely important. But if we keep going down the road of abortion and perversion our country will not be worth saving. Millions of religious Republicans will withdraw from the struggle if they are betrayed yet again.
I'll put up with compromise on some issues. I think the "No child left behind" program is a stupid boondoggle, because education can only be done on the local level. But I'll put up with it. Not, however, with a failure to appoint a steady stream of solid, conservative, pro-life judges. That would simply be unacceptable.
Specter is the rock in the middle of the road. Bush would be a fool to trust to his good will or his word. He has broken his word too often before, and recently too.
"Suggest banning all abortion from conception to birth."
Exactly what Catholics call for, EXACTLY THAT. So have we "no place making policy" ?????
He doesn't just give advice to the president as AG.
snippet from usdoj.gov/ag/index.html...
The Attorney General, as head of the Department of Justice and chief law enforcement officer of the Federal Government, represents the United States in legal matters generally and gives advice and opinions to the President and to the heads of the executive departments of the Government when so requested. The Attorney General appears in person to represent the Government before the U.S. Supreme Court in cases of exceptional gravity or importance.
So he will have thousands of liberal career government lawyers just itching to go after pro-lifers.
And he's already said the Consitution is a "living" document.
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/printer-friendly.asp?ARTICLE_ID=27802
I say all TRULY good conservatives should oppose Gonzales as AG.
Some even think the AG position is a warm up for the Supreme Court for him
We humans have a gestation period of 9 months.
so arlen sphincter is in control of who is named to the supreme court? his vote counts more than the other 99 senators? i wish you one issue folks would calm down and trust our president and our party to do the right thing.
the post of AG absolutely pales in comparison to supreme court seats. I'd say keep your poweder dry. relatively speaking, gonzales is no big deal. and the president, i'll wager, knows it.
Perhaps, but at the same time, huge hordes of pro-choice Democrats who are unimpressed with the socialist policies of the Democratic Party, will pour in. People who hold extreme anti-abortion views are a tiny minority in this country, and any party that caters to them will quickly become a tiny party.
Offending people bothers you? Then why do you use language that is offensive to your allies?
When you're given the choice between quick euthanasia and extended torture ending in death, let's see you pick the latter. No, they're not the same.
"Suggest banning all abortion from conception to birth."
A platform robust with pro-life planks was passed yesterday by delegates during the opening session of the Republican National Convention being held this week at Madison Square Garden in New York.
The 94-page document, "A Safer World, A More Hopeful Tomorrow," calls for constitutional amendments banning abortion and gay "marriage," a comprehensive ban on cloning, continued denial of federal money for research on new embryonic stem cell lines, abstinence education and other measures that bolster the sanctity of life and the traditional family.
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2004/8/31/165045.shtml
Don't be an idiot. Even if we had a 60-senator majority, which we don't, the chair of the judiciary committee has a thousand ways to obstruct and delay. He sets the schedule. He decides when to take up consideration of an appointment. He sets the rules. He decides when an appointee goes to the floor. He decides whether the committee or the senate will be given the opportunity to vote.
Specter will not openly obstruct right away, but he will delay and complicate and obfuscate. And when he sees his chance, he WILL obstruct, just at the moment when we are in the clinch and Bush is being attacked by his political enemies on some other issue.
idunno. people who see everything as an "either/or" proposition might by a little nutty, as might people who offer up dissertations absent a grip on the big picture.
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