Posted on 11/12/2004 4:54:43 AM PST by fr11
> Now to get the energy or the matter from nothing, you have to violate the first law of thermodynamics
And I quote: "In other words, during a time interval shorter than 6.4X10E-21 seconds, an electron and an antielectron can spontaneously appear and then disappear without violating any law of physics."
This comes from a well respected text on astrop[hysics and cosmology.
Back to the library with you! And this time, try *reading* the science books before you start putting stickers all over 'em.
> keep remembering that you have a whole lot of blind faith
Hardly "blind," since it has been experimentally demonstrated. Again, pull your head out and research something before pontificating about it. Otherwise you'll come off like a chump, as you have here.
So you're a trough and shovel guy, eh? ;-)
The French linger over their food. I inhale it.
> The French linger over their food.
Well, if what you had to eat was *French* food, how enthusiastic would *you* be?
Snails. Shudder...
Have you done the research yet?
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Please provide the reference information for this quote as you failed to give it earlier. If the quote in its context is trying to say you can get something from nothing, then it overturns the first law.
Again, you are saying that matter or energy can be created from absolutely nothing. This clearly violates the first law of thermodynamics.
Hardly "blind," since it has been experimentally demonstrated.
Hah, that is a laugh, you have never seen any experiment create matter or energy out of nothing. The fact that you are just blowing hot air is obvious to anyone but you.
I am sorry that you think the first law of thermodynamics does not apply to your hopes, to your pipe-dreams.
Stick to your something-from-nothing speculation as if it were a law and I will shoot it down with the first law every time.
But keep preaching your sermon preacher, though your blind faith is beyond that of any preacher I have heard.
> Please provide the reference information for this quote as you failed to give it earlier.
That's because I was *hoping* you'd do some research of your own.
> If the quote in its context is trying to say you can get something from nothing, then it overturns the first law.
Just as Einstien modified Newton but didn't overthrow him... Heisenberg modified Newton but didn't overthrow him. You *CAN* get something from nothing. Just not for very long.
> Hah, that is a laugh, you have never seen any experiment create matter or energy out of nothing.
Again, you are demonstrating your serious lack of knowledge of quantum physics. *AGAIN* I invite you to look up the Casimir Effect, which is a repeatable and demonstratable phenonenon, and currently explained only by quantum fluctuations.
> your blind faith
You keep saying that. And you keep refusing to do even the slightest research. Who's blind?
Any claim that Newton made that was disproven by Heisenberg or Eisnstein was overthrown, that is no longer valid.
If you have proof that you can get matter or energy from nothing, you have proven that the first law is invalid.
You claim to know of experimental evidence supporting this view, as I quote you: "Hardly "blind," since it has been experimentally demonstrated.
You have never seen any experiment that creates matter or energy from nothing, you are just blowing more hot air.
Instead of pretending that others do not read, take your own advice and go read until you can come up with a reference that "proves" your hot air, or else it is still just hot air.
Your blind faith and hot air does not offer any proof that matter can be created from nothing, it is just your own person hope preacher.
> You failed to give your reference again.
Yes, I did. Because I knew that even if I did tell you that the book was entitled "Universe" and was written by William Kaufmann and published by W.H Freeman & Co, and that I had it as a college astrophysics text and that I've *never* seen a decent university that didn't have at least a couple dog-eared copies on their library shelves, what good would it do?
> You have never seen any experiment that creates matter or energy from nothing, you are just blowing more hot air.
You've never seen an atom bomb go off, so any claim by you that such things are possible is just so much hot air, yes?
>take your own advice and go read until you can come up with a reference
There. Done. Amazing what I have sitting right in front of me, that you refuse to even look for.
Now, why is it that *I* can open up http://arxiv.org/ and do a search on "Casimir effect," but it is beyond your capabilities? Some sort of internet service provider anomaly?
Your answer was as lame as your other answers and you once again dodged and began to equivocate.
The claim made by your lame answer is that the reality of an atomic bomb being detonated is the same as 'your' (ha ha ha) bogus claim that you know of an experiment that shows that matter or energy have been created from absolutely nothing.
Your logic is in much need of help to say the least. Keep on blowing hot air and preaching and "pretending that the first law of thermodynamics does not apply to your private little make-believe universe"
I repost your reply so that more people can see how lame it is: You have never seen an atom bomb go off, so any claim by you that such things are possible is just so much hot air, yes?
I don't blame you for dodging and shifting, but once again you know of no person who has ever done any experiment that created matter or energy from nothing.
The truth is that you made a silly claim and are too prideful to admit that you just got overly zealous and blew some very hot air. Keep preaching, preacher.
Yopu are an amazing individual. You are completely immune to the facts; that's a rare thing.
I have pointed you to a source of information on research papers on the Casimir Effect. But you have obviously ignored those references. That's fine. It just shows what level of intellectual honesty you have.
You stay in the mud, and stamp your little feet. Go on and believe that the Earth is flat, that what goes up must come down, that space travel is utter bilge, that Newtons laws are inviolable as written 400 years ago. The rest of us will go to the stars, and not even remember the likes of small minds like yours.
> once again you know of no person who has ever done any experiment that created matter or energy from nothing.
ERRR. Wrong, but thanks for palying. I have numerous reports on successful demonstratiosn of teh Casimir effect. You can have them too, but you refuse to look.
> The truth is that you made a silly claim
It's not a silly claim, as it is justified both by the HEisenberg Uncertainty Principle and by innumerable laboratory experiments. You are too thick-headed to recognize the reality, however. That's fine. You raise your kids that way. My kids will need a generation of ignorant boobs to clean out the slops for them.
You intentionally mischaracterize what I think is true and you know better.
I do not think anyone will ever create matter or energy from nothing, that is just a prediction.
It seems as though believing that matter can be created from nothing could be your raison-detre, so be it.
I don't mind too much that you do your best to insult me or most anyone who disagrees with you, but don't mention my children.
Take a cheap shot at my children? I will hold my tongue. I won't be posting to you in the future, I wish your children the best.
> I think you have gone completely off the deep end.
Incorrect. You demanded references, I provided them, then you claim that I had no references.
> I do not think anyone will ever create matter or energy from nothing, that is just a prediction.
THAT HAS BEEN DONE IN THE LAB. Again, you refuse to even *look* at the references. Not my problem.
> don't mention my children.
Hey, you're the one who wants to keep them ignorant. I weep for their future, but look forward to them taking my order at Burger King.
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That's worth playing again.
To: orionblamblam I think you have gone completely off the deep end.
Commitment to darwinism trumps reason.
No doubt that the leaders of the evolution camp have always pushed it with the zeal of a religious fanatic. If there is no real proof for a claim, their attack against the non-evolutionist heretic will be louder and more shrill.
Keep looking.
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