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Why We Lost (lack of a clear sense of what the party stands for)
NY Times ^ | November 5, 2004 | editorial

Posted on 11/04/2004 9:48:13 PM PST by Former Military Chick

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To: thoughtomator
Soul searching? Even if they do find it, how will they buy it back?

Traditionally their approach would be to levy another tax, but now they lack the majority to pass one.

21 posted on 11/04/2004 10:00:58 PM PST by BlazingArizona
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To: Former Military Chick
I don't pretend to know exactly what the party should do now.

nobody in the democratic party knows right now either...feel good, you are not alone...

22 posted on 11/04/2004 10:01:25 PM PST by mlocher (america is a sovereign state)
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To: Former Military Chick
The overarching problem Democrats have today is the lack of a clear sense of what the party stands for.

Awe shucks, no worry, just have Soros write out another $25 million check and run some more hate ads.
 

23 posted on 11/04/2004 10:02:52 PM PST by NewMediaFan (Fake but accurate)
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To: Former Military Chick
...and what we (Democrats) sorely need, is what President George H. W. Bush so famously derided as "the vision thing"

He's right there. The 'Rats had no clear idea on how to fight the war on terror. They never had a real thing going in this election. It was all "Defeat Bush!", which was a stupid way to run a campaign.

24 posted on 11/04/2004 10:03:17 PM PST by Angry Republican (My thanks to America for choosing the right man in 2004.)
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To: Former Military Chick
How do we respond to the desire of many Americans to have choices and decision-making power of their own?

Sheesh!!!!

25 posted on 11/04/2004 10:04:08 PM PST by Fraulein
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To: Former Military Chick
Misguided as they may be, the Republicans have a clear vision of America's future.

Misguided? Stupid, arrogant SOB. You still don't F****** get it


26 posted on 11/04/2004 10:04:12 PM PST by ILS21R
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To: Former Military Chick
All the DemonRats know is what JKG taught them more than 30 years ago, "TO LIE, STEAL, and CHEAT". JKG is John Kenneth Galbraith.
27 posted on 11/04/2004 10:04:28 PM PST by prometheus
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To: Former Military Chick
I'm sick of standing in the rain.

It ain't the rain you need to come in from.

It's the dark.

28 posted on 11/04/2004 10:04:46 PM PST by mississippi red-neck (John Kerry is Catholic. John Kerry supports Abortion and Gay Marriage. Flip flop,flip flop.)
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To: Former Military Chick
"In 1996, President Clinton told us this age had passed, that "the era of big government is over." He
was right - the world had changed. But the party has not answered the basic question: What comes next?"

The era of small government!!!

America rejects socialism.!!!

29 posted on 11/04/2004 10:06:01 PM PST by trueamerica
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To: Former Military Chick

Unfortunately for the Democrats (and fortunately for the rest of us) we actually do know how they answer these questions they supposedly need to ponder. And that defines the "soul" of their party, such as it is.

"What is our economic vision in a globalized world?"
Socialism, radical environmentalism, more government regulation

"How do we respond to the desire of many Americans to have choices and decision-making power of their own?"
Tell them they are too dumb and the elite will make their choices for them.

"How can we speak to Americans' moral and spiritual yearnings?"
By mouthing a spirituality the national Democratic party doesn't have (which rings utterly phoney to those who have it), and then attacking the real spiritual and moral yearnings of normal Americans.

"How can our national security vision be broader than just a critique of the Republican's foreign policy?"
Re-living Viet Nam and bowing to internationalism and dictatorships is not a vision of national security at all.

We _can_ see the soul of the Democratic party and we don't like it and we voted against it.


30 posted on 11/04/2004 10:07:37 PM PST by Iowa_Clone (Iowa = beautiful land)
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To: Former Military Chick
I've read at least two dozen soul-searching "why we lost" pieces from the left.

This is, I think, the second one that appears to be from a sane, rational thinking human being.

If the writer were to conduct a census of responses and derive the sane/insane ratio, he would answer his own question.

31 posted on 11/04/2004 10:08:01 PM PST by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: Former Military Chick
The overarching problem Democrats have today is the lack of a clear sense of what the party stands for.

They have a clear sense of what the party stands for, nanny-state socialism. I agree with Limbaugh. They just can say it in plain words. They aren't unaware that the way they act says it loud and clear. But what remains unadmitted remains only a suspicion.

There's too many sane people left for any public admissions. I figure they have one more public school generation to go before they're back in business.

32 posted on 11/04/2004 10:12:16 PM PST by William Terrell (Individuals can exist without government but government can't exist without individuals.)
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To: flashbunny
If they ever fully embrace their liberal beliefs, they will run away with every branch of government in the landslide.

What an odd statement!

33 posted on 11/04/2004 10:13:10 PM PST by Krodg
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To: Former Military Chick
The overarching problem Democrats have today is the lack of a clear sense of what the party stands for.

What animates the true core of the Democratic party is leftism. The small minority of leftist death-eaters purchase the loyalty of less ideological constituencies through government employment, income transfers and giveaways. That only gets them to 40% or so. The Dems next task is to hoodwink a gullible 11% into thinking the Dems to be something other than they are. As do Nigerian oil email scammers, the Dems are finding it increasingly difficult to fool that 11%.

If you look closely, they are not trying to change the reality of what they are, only find a fresh new con.

34 posted on 11/04/2004 10:18:33 PM PST by Plutarch
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To: Former Military Chick
On Wednesday morning, Democrats across the country awoke to a situation they have not experienced since before the New Deal: We are now, without a doubt, America's minority party. We do not have the presidency. We are outnumbered in the Senate, the House, governorships and legislatures.

"Why We Lost"...? "WE?" "WE" -- ?!?

They're not even going to try pretending to look outraged whenever we say "liberal media bias" any longer, are they...?

35 posted on 11/04/2004 10:23:06 PM PST by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle (I feel more and more like a revolted Charlton Heston, witnessing ape society for the very first time)
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To: mlocher
..more weight..

LOL

36 posted on 11/04/2004 10:23:07 PM PST by ILS21R
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To: Former Military Chick
When are they gonna drop the use of THE (fill in the blank) DEAL?

Kerry had THE REAL DEAL and every Dim candidate since FDR has had some sort of "DEAL".

The deal is that they need a new mantra.

Holding cards from A BAD DEAL is nothing but a loser.

37 posted on 11/04/2004 10:24:14 PM PST by buzzsaw6 (26 year military vet still serving in the ANG)
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To: Former Military Chick

It all boils down to this:

Abortion.

You look at Roe v. Wade and it is downhill from there.

Kennedy was the last real strong Democrat in office for them.

Today he'd be a Republican:

Catholic
Pro-Life
Anti-Tax (Past a tax cut)
Anti-Communist
Hawkish
Free-Enterpriser

I'm not sure what his stand on guns was, but that's not really the point.

The central problem of the D party is their coalition has fallen apart.

You can't be pro-environment and pro-union
You can't be pro-choice and strong on family values
You can't be pro-gay and strong on family values
You can't defend pornographers (liberal interpretation of the 1st amendment) and anti-gun (strict interpretation on the definition of 'militia' in the second)
You can't spend other people's money to improve the lot of the poor if it decreases the competitiveness of American labor.

You can't pay for the right of women to choose with the life of an innocent child - especially when the alternative is 9 months and their signature on an adoption waiver.

Abortion is the ultimate rejection of personal responsibility for their actions.

Women want control over their body, but only after having first relinquished that control by having sex.

You can't be the party of family values and somehow dodge biblical verses such as "I knew you from before you were formed in the womb"

They have to start there. Then they have to call homosexuality what it is - something in need of a cure. Don't spend billions on AIDS and nothing on what causes people to be gay. Eradicate homosexuality and you eliminate the most pernicious vector of that disease.

In Africa, it's nearly too late. Damage is done. Ironically, abstinence is their only cure, and it isn't going to happen. Simply too much to ask of a person.

Abortion is key. They keep clinging to that, and its going to continue to pull them down.

Every woman in their heart of hearts knows that you can't rub your stomach, swollen with child, and think of it as both a non-viable tissue mass and your baby in the same honest moment. Impossible.

Abortion is not defensible. It is their central vulnerability. It is the reason why they MUST remain godless. They can't call upon Him for victory, and kill 40 million kids at the same time.

The longer they cling to it, the more it will drag them down.

Here's my prediction - with RU486 out, Democrats will lead the charge to overturn Roe v. Wade.

They will steal the issue from Republicans, in a bid to reclaim the high moral ground.

They will also repudiate homosexuals within the next four years.

Moderates will start wafting back, and then it will be anybody's guess what will happen next.

I know this sounds implausible, but only Nixon could go to China. Only the Democrats could repeal Roe v. Wade and leave the gays behind.

If guns killed them in 1996, gay marriage killed them in 2004. 2006 will be the straw that breaks the camel's back. They'll lose another 5 to 8 senate seats.


38 posted on 11/04/2004 10:24:37 PM PST by RinaseaofDs (The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money.)
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To: Former Military Chick

They'll never learn a thing, because they're basically anti-American, but they don't even realize it.


39 posted on 11/04/2004 10:27:07 PM PST by ozzymandus
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To: IronJack

Actually, it is the painful truth that they "lack a clear vision." What they don't get is that you can't have a clear vision in a fog of self-indulgent emotions.

Step back and truly see what the country needs, and realize that socialism is a fools dream.


40 posted on 11/04/2004 10:28:42 PM PST by wvobiwan (Kerry/Edwards Foreign Policy Slogan: Accept our surrender or we'll sue!)
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