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Sullivan claims Kerry Really Won!!!
The Daily Dish ^ | 11/3/04 | Andrew Sullivan

Posted on 11/03/2004 4:21:13 PM PST by M 91 u2 K

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To: M 91 u2 K
"I am a 25 year-old gay man, and I can't even describe how saddened I am today by the re-election of President Bush and the numerous state amendments banning gay marriage that were passed on election day. I'm not really angry... just very sad and afraid. I don't know what country I live in anymore. I thought this was the land of freedom. I thought I was free to pursue my own happiness. But right now I feel like my country hates me. What is going on?"

This guy is supposedly 25 years old, yet apparently nobody ever mentioned to him that he was NOT free to marry one of his boyfriends--not just in the USA, but (a couple weird outposts in Europe excepted), noplace on the face of the planet. Where did he grow up, San Francisco???

41 posted on 11/03/2004 4:52:47 PM PST by madprof98
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To: M 91 u2 K

Bush beat Kerry by an average of 58.9% to 40% in his winning states, while Kerry only beat GW an average of 54.2% to 44.7%. Bush beat Kerry bigger in Red states than Kerry beat Bush in blue states. (I'm sure there is some satistical phrase that communicates this better).


42 posted on 11/03/2004 5:02:24 PM PST by DallasDeb
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To: burwellstark
It wasn't about the war on terror for the Bush base. It was about the war on gay unions. Oh, the ironies.

These fools still don't get it and probably never will. The gay marriage bans aren't "war on homosectionals" as much as they're for protecting families. Gays can go and bugger themselves silly and no one will flog them or throw them in jail or burn them at the stake. The government will ignore them and leave them to their own devices.

The issue is that now they want the government to endorse their relationships and give them the same benefits as are granted to married couples in the name of fairness and equality.

Gay unions are not the equal of heterosexual marriages. Hetero marriages produce offspring and society has an interest in the welfare of strong family units.

Gay unions are by definition self centered. If they want to do that, they can do it and no one will interfere. But expecting society to endorse their behavior with tax breaks and other privioedges is asking too much. Without a doubt, moral issues trumped national security in this election.

43 posted on 11/03/2004 5:06:10 PM PST by Grim
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To: M 91 u2 K
"So how'd Bush pull it off? He won 84-15 among self-described conservatives, and, more importantly, he made sure conservatives comprised a much bigger chunk of the electorate than they did in 2000."

Wow. Just wow. How'd Bush "make sure" that conservative identification rose 5% since 2000? Did he have Karl Rove implant chips in people's heads? Did he kidnap their children and threaten their lives if they didn't "comprise a much bigger chunk of the electorate"? He's completely delusional. It's like he thinks that people voted for Bush because he made them be conservative, rather than Bush won the election because more people became conservatives and therefore voted for him. Qwinn

44 posted on 11/03/2004 5:11:59 PM PST by Qwinn
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To: fzzywzzy

Well said!


45 posted on 11/03/2004 6:02:02 PM PST by M-cubed
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To: M 91 u2 K

I wonder if Kerry will blame it on the NRA...


46 posted on 11/03/2004 6:06:12 PM PST by boris (The deadliest weapon of mass destruction in history is a Leftist with a word processor)
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To: M 91 u2 K
... and yet the exit polls show something rather different.

I care as much what those lying exit polls say as I do what Dan Rather's fake memos say.

47 posted on 11/03/2004 6:06:28 PM PST by VadeRetro (A self-reliant conservative citizenry is a better bet than the subjects of an overbearing state. -MS)
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To: M 91 u2 K
HOW THE VOTE MOVED: Kerry won the center and the left.

So: whatcha wearin' to Kerry's upcoming inauguration, then, Andy? Something black and elegantly simple... or just the sackcloth and ashes you have on right now? :)

48 posted on 11/03/2004 6:07:20 PM PST by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle (I feel more and more like a revolted Charlton Heston, witnessing ape society for the very first time)
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To: M 91 u2 K

Andy is unhappy because now he won't be best man at the Kerry/Edwards inaugeral wedding.


49 posted on 11/03/2004 6:09:19 PM PST by WestVirginiaRebel ("Vote for Kerry for your own security. I'm Osama Bin Laden and I approved this message.")
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To: M 91 u2 K
As blue states become more secular, and red states become less so, the only alternative to a national religious war is to allow different states to pursue different options. That goes for things like decriminalization of marijuana, abortion rights, stem cell research and marriage rights. Forcing California and Mississippi into one model is a recipe for disaster. Federalism is now more important than ever.

I agree with this. I think all of these issues should be resolved by state legislatures, not state courts, not federal courts. But one suspects Sullivan would be ready to toss federalism out the window in a heartbeat if he thought the left was winning on homosexual marriage.

The homosexual 'marriage' issue is colored by the Full Faith and Credit Clause of the US Constitution. It makes states give Full Faith and Credit to the laws of other states. This limits states' rights and homosexuals were happy to use it to force homosexual marriage down the throats of states that did not want it--when it looked like a winning approach. Now that it looks like this is a losing approach, they embrace federalism to save homosexual marriage in, at least, Massachussets.

50 posted on 11/03/2004 6:31:34 PM PST by ModelBreaker
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