Posted on 10/25/2004 10:55:39 AM PDT by Destro
That is simply false.
If they were so happy to do so, why didn't they volunteer in large numbers to help at the murder camps? Why were the Nazis hiring Ukrainians from hundreds of miles away?
I'll point out, also, that there is a difference between "giving back" a Jewish refugee from the murder camps and being forced to turn over a fugitive when the lives of your entire family are threatened.
Many Poles behaved less than honorably but many Poles acted with great honor.
And Poles had very little sympathy for those who collaborated with either the Nazi or the Communist invader.
Try and read the painted bird for instance...
Jerzy Kosinski's The Painted Bird is a tissue of lies, and I find it interesting that you cite a novel instead of a scholarly work of history for your anti-Polish slander. What does that tell me about your good intentions?
Mr. Kosinski claimed at first that the novel was semi-autobiographical, but then the truth came out.
In reality, Mr. Kosinski's parents took him to the local Polish Catholic priest for help in hiding him from the Nazis. The local priest, at great personal risk, forged a baptismal certificate and placed Mr. Kosinski in the house of a Polish farming family who kept him safe until the end of the war. He never left the farm, let alone wandered throughout Eastern Europe as the book narrates.
After he made up the sensationalistic Painted Bird he then plagiarized almost an entire obscure Polish novel and republished it in English under his own name as Being There. He was subsequently exposed as a fraud for that book as well.
He also pulled a John Kerry and married a steel heiress and lived off her family money after she died of cancer. He later committed suicide by strangling himself while masturbating.
While they did suffer, Poles were disgustingly happy to get rid of their Jewish neighbors!
This is a myth. Some Poles were bad people, more were good people who mourned the loss of their neighbors and tried to help them. Slanderers and liars like Jerzy Kosinski should not be allowed to speak for the mute thousands of Poles who risked their lives for years to save their Jewish neighbors from government-mandated mass murder.
I note with interest that you sanction the Nazi-style government-mandated murder of helpless Terri Schiavo. While the Nazis were murdering six million Jews they were also murdering tens of thousands of "useless eaters" like Terri Schiavo in hospitals and climics throughout their empire.
But as far as you're concerned, it's better to slander an entire nation and culture on the strength of a novel written by a lying plagiarist hack than confront that dark part of yourself that agrees in part with the Nazi program.
Poles were also serving in the camps...
You say it is false? It is documented... by Poles...
Try Jewadne...
trying to rewrite history?
As to Poles being happy to kill their neighbors? Sorry pal... My family saw it... in Warsaw, in Chelm, in Lublin etc...
You better try to read more than pro-polish propaganda because it is false...
But I guess you don't want to see the truth! Maybe your family comes from Jewadne or Kielce,...
You, my friend, are a racist. You are as bad as any anti-Semite.
Unlike yourself, there are many Jews who are proud of the Jewish people and their unique and irreplaceable contribution to all humanity.
They don't need to dabble in the blood libel of the Polish people to feel good about themselves.
In fact, I am starting to suspect that you are not actually Jewish, but that you yourself are an anti-Semite who is trying to make Jews look bad.
Were? History? Sorry friend, your slur was framed in the present tense. You wrote that Poles stink of anti-semitism.
It's bad enough that you think your certified victimhood confers a unique license to deal in racism. Don't make it worse by lying.
About these honorable Poles
From http://www.thejewishweek.com/news/newscontent.php3?artid=5821
"The estimated 1,600 Jews of Jedwabne, a village northeast of Warsaw, were rounded up, herded into a barn and set on fire on July 10, 1941. For decades the perpetrators were believed to be the Nazis, but “Neighbors,” a book published last year by Professor Jan Gross, a Polish-American scholar at New York University, documented that the massacre had been carried out by the Polish townspeople themselves. ..."
There were certainly Poles who helped murder Jews in the Nazi death camps.
My point was that if the Poles as a nation were so universally dedicated to murdering Jews, why did the Nazis have to import guards from far away? There should have been more than enough Poles on hand with a few miles' radius if the Polish nation as a whole were as evil as you say.
As to Poles being happy to kill their neighbors? Sorry pal... My family saw it... in Warsaw, in Chelm, in Lublin etc...
As I said, I seriously doubt your assertions and I think you may be an anti-Semitic plant on this forum.
I have personally known Holocaust survivors from Poland and they have never expressed the anti-Polish animus that I have seen from you on this board.
You better try to read more than pro-polish propaganda because it is false...
While there are Poles who like to pretend that no Poles were complicit in the Holocaust, I recognize that they are not telling the truth. It as much of a lie to say that no Pole helped the Nazis as it is to say that they all did.
But I guess you don't want to see the truth! Maybe your family comes from Jewadne or Kielce,...
I have no Polish ancestry of any kind. One doesn't have to be Polish to see that a person calling on God to damn the entire Polish nation is an unstable bigot.
That's one statistic. I've seen others that state 80% for Poland and 65% for France.
That being said, it was a lot easier to flee unoccupied France in 1940 than occupied Poland in 1939. There is no comparison in the two situations.
It was also much easier for a secular Jew conversant with French customs and manners to navigate through Gentile society to safety than it was for an observant Jew in rural Poland to do so.
A better statistic might be to ask how many Poles died under the Nazi yoke and how many Frenchmen.
The Poles did more than their part in fighting Nazism.
I kind of compare him to the English author J.G. Ballard whose semi-autobiographical Empire of the Sun (made into the Spielberg movie, the book was a LOT more ugly and nihlistic) would go a long way towards explaining HIS cracked, twisted output (he wrote Crash among other perversions).
It's funny that you should mention kids reading inappropriate things at young ages, since I took home a collection of Ballard short stories at the age of 12 when our local library was giving away old paperbacks.
Some of those tales were extremely disturbing.
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