Posted on 10/17/2004 10:41:41 PM PDT by Destro
the Taiping Rebellion (a protestant inspired religious movement) happened around the same time period (1850s-1860s) as the Muslims declared jihad on the Qing Dynasty Chinese empire.
Please give examples of this cooperation.
I think the islamites realize China has no hesitation in awarding them and any of their associates capital punishment if they tried.
I recall the deaf man caught for the April 2000 Shijiazhuang bombing that claimed the life of 108 Chinese and injury of 38 more. He was caught in June of that year and executed in July by firing squad.
Our hesitance to reward terrorists justly will keep China from joining us, as they would see the US as a hinderance to their justice, somewhat like we see Europe as a hinderance to ours, re: the death penalty. (Wow, I hope that comes across as I intended)
At least they are allowed to exist as a religion in China.
How many Christian churches are allowed in Saudi Arabia? Pakistan? Iraq? Afghanistan?
That would be per se
And...
A little learning is a dangerous thing.
If you are going to be insufferable, at least get things right first.
I understand that by 2020, China will have more Christians (and those being tested by the fires of persecutions the West can't begin to fathom) than all of the West combined. I asked another fellow forumite whether he believed it more crucial to be a "Christian" nation or to be a nation of Christians. I believe the arrogance of the first is put to shame by the strength of the last.
When I was in Bejing, the first place I happened upon on my first "outing" in the city was a church tucked out of sight, in a quiet alley, old - but strong and beautiful in character. I began to see it was so similar to the Christian church in China - it's tucked away, old, unique in its character - and beautifully bringing our almond-eyed brothers and sisters to Christ.
The map is my proof - where is your proof that the Xinjiang Muslim areas were not part of historic China?
Oh - making fun of my typos notthe facts! Talk about insufferable!!
Islamism vs. Communism. Which is worse, the disease or the cure?
"This is good. Now the Muslims will start bombing buses and cars all over China, and we will gain yet another ally in the War Against Islam."
Not likely. If they did go after China they would get a vicious crackdown which would make them look for a softer target, i.e., the West.
It isn't surprising to see some here laud the Chinese Communists' persecuting and thwarting of others' right to worship.
I don't know how "communist" China is these days. Nationalistic? Tyrannical? Yes - but communist? More like hard socilaisim?
I think you're right, evidenced by the "softening" of the CCP leadership's position on "rights" and property ownership. Allbeit far from perfect, it's a distant step from what it was in 1986 or even 1996.
Actually, not very, I think. But Islam is not the only religion which is controlled--see Tibet and the whole Falun Gong issue. Radical Islam is problem, but I'm sure encouraging religious repression is the right answer.
China is moving from totalitarian to authoritarian (and historic China has always been an authoritarian regime). Ideology does not matter as much as the need to control society for order's sake.
And yet here Mumia sits on death row more than a decade after murdering a policeman in cold blood. Sick.
I've been reading "Jesus in Beijing," by David Aikman, former Beijing Bureau Chief for Time Magazine, who believes that China is being slowly and quietly Christianized. He reports that Chinese Christians, very much aware of the threat organized religion presents to the government, have adopted the tactic of working with local government, when possible, to demonstrate how Christianity improves the lives and work ethic of its citizens.
Given the historical record of Islam, it would make sense that the Chicoms view it with a much warier eye than Christianity.
Rather than the traditional self-immolating, confrontational mode, Christian missionaries have adopted softer tactics, such as gaining access to the country as English teachers, who, while not allowed to proseletize publicly, are privately spreading their faith.
Whether the trend will hold is a good question, given China's reactionary xenophobic history, but the book is fascinating.
I believe China NOW has 10's of thousands MORE authentic Christians than the USA has.
And, they PRAY vs just talking and meeting about praying.
And their prayers come out of great insight born of suffering beyond what most in the US imagine.
Almost 20 years ago, a confidential government leaders only doc got leaked outlining the good points of Christians and encouraging leaders to hire them etc. as a counter to corruption etc.
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