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New propulsion concept could make 90-day Mars round trip possible
University of Washington News Office ^ | 14 October 2004 | Vince Stricherz

Posted on 10/14/2004 1:14:50 PM PDT by PatrickHenry

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To: dljordan

All your Martian commercial properties are belong to us!


61 posted on 10/15/2004 6:36:16 AM PDT by Michael_Michaelangelo (Kerry is scary)
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To: Pete'sWife
>It turns them into bowls of popcorn?

Nearly everything
that can be used as a drive
can be a weapon.

Larry Niven once
wrote a short story about
how a "weaponless"

Earth ship was attacked
by a Kzin warship. Tough luck
for the Kzin, because

the Earth ship had a
really powerful magnet
for their ramjet drive . . .

62 posted on 10/15/2004 7:27:30 AM PDT by theFIRMbss
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To: beezdotcom
So, what do they do with the reverse acceleration given the beam GENERATOR?

My thought exactly.

63 posted on 10/15/2004 7:33:35 AM PDT by sionnsar (Cbs: Tune in. Turn on. Ignore doubt | Iran Azadi | Traditional Anglicans: trad-anglican.faithweb.com)
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To: sionnsar

Now, if they based the generator on the moon, that would be feasible for the outbound trip (the effects shouldn't become pronounced for thousands of years, anyway). But on the Mars side, they'd have few choices. Even if the rotations of Deimos and Phobos weren't a problem, their masses are small enough that this sort of constant gentle force could begin to perturb their orbits.


64 posted on 10/15/2004 10:23:06 AM PDT by beezdotcom (I'm usually either right or wrong...)
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To: PatrickHenry

Conceptually - they could use aerobraking in the upper Martian atmosphere to decelerate. And if we can get really wacky - when ready to return they can head away from the Earth - get re-accelerated by the beam - and hope Jupiter is somewhere out there to use the bank shot effect - doing a tight 180 around Jupiter as if in a highly elliptical orbit - to reverse direction while conserving velocity. Just conjecture though...


65 posted on 10/15/2004 10:35:27 AM PDT by guitfiddlist (When the 'Rats break out switchblades, it's no time to invoke Robert's Rules.)
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To: guitfiddlist

....also, depending on the complexity of assembly, the vehicle itself could conceivably carry along the basic elements necessary to assemble a similar beam generator on Mars to facilitate the return trip, using local material mass for the bulk of it. Again...totally off the wall conjecture.


66 posted on 10/15/2004 10:39:05 AM PDT by guitfiddlist (When the 'Rats break out switchblades, it's no time to invoke Robert's Rules.)
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To: beezdotcom
Now, if they based the generator on the moon, that would be feasible for the outbound trip (the effects shouldn't become pronounced for thousands of years, anyway). But on the Mars side, they'd have few choices. Even if the rotations of Deimos and Phobos weren't a problem, their masses are small enough that this sort of constant gentle force could begin to perturb their orbits.

If you "balanced" the thrust by using the rotations (and multiple thrusters, though the thrust would be intermittent), you could avoid that problem.

67 posted on 10/15/2004 12:38:32 PM PDT by sionnsar (Cbs: Tune in. Turn on. Ignore doubt | Iran Azadi | Traditional Anglicans: trad-anglican.faithweb.com)
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To: KevinDavis

58 - Thanks for the ping.

It seems like this type of drive would 'microwave' or 'plazma wave' the occupants of any such space ship. If it can drive a ship, it should also cook the ship contents.


68 posted on 10/15/2004 1:38:36 PM PDT by XBob (Free-traitors steal our jobs for their profit.)
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To: PatrickHenry

Winglee has been around with this idea for years. It is not new. It IS his idea, but he keeps shopping it around and nobody bites. I find it droll that this is being touted as 'breakthrough' technology...


69 posted on 10/20/2004 7:15:47 PM PDT by boris (The deadliest weapon of mass destruction in history is a Leftist with a word processor)
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To: PatrickHenry

70 posted on 10/20/2004 7:22:15 PM PDT by airborne (God answers all prayers. Sometimes the answer is ,"No".)
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To: PatrickHenry

Awesome stuff. Great news.


71 posted on 10/20/2004 7:24:04 PM PDT by hershey (i)
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To: boris
Winglee has been around with this idea for years. It is not new. It IS his idea, but he keeps shopping it around and nobody bites. I find it droll that this is being touted as 'breakthrough' technology...

It's true that the "beam and sail" concept isn't new. I've read about in SF for decades. But it's a bit of a breakthrough -- although perhaps only a bureaucratic breakthrough -- to get it developed at the engineering level.

72 posted on 10/21/2004 3:30:50 AM PDT by PatrickHenry (Hic amor, haec patria est.)
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