Posted on 10/08/2004 2:46:06 PM PDT by O.C. - Old Cracker
We ...rehashed old times, talked about our kids....
Yeah, these evil fraternities should be banned.
In hoc, Carling! Sigma Chi here, too, though I'm way past the 30 mark!
I went through two different Sigma Chi chapters - Florida State and Georgia Southern - and never, repeat, never saw any of this kind of shenanigans!
We had a big time, but by and large, most of us turned out OK. I had lunch just today with one of my alumnus brothers. Oh, he's one of several of us who ended up in the ministry. Go figure!
I think they had a moral obligation to look out for him but I don't see any legal obligation beyond rendering aid once you understand he is in trouble (I imagine the rest of the group wasn't particularly sober either).
FWIW, I dont reflexively think much of frat boys either but have known some decent ones.
Man, half our chapter was "un-cool" guys. We had long haired hippie types, dope-smoking rockers, khaki-wearing sterotypical guys. Our criteria was simply "cool".
So your answer is no.
College was fun, OC. I'm sorry you missed it.
You bet!
No regrets here.
Wrong question. If you found one of your twin sons (clothes on, by the way) with obscenities scrawled on his body and the other dead without any obscenities on his body, which would you be most upset about?
OC - check your private messages - Is this OC JOW?
They had no reason to think he would die period.
Nope never touched the stuff. < /sarcasm>
You have a point. And in the military, they are in the presence of older males who keep them in line. They learn a lot from that.
Too many young men, now, have been raised in fatherless families and are lost souls, full of aggression and lacking in willpower.
I could not have said it better. The upper classmen tell the pledges that they are "brothers". They convey a false sense of security only to be secretly considered "new meat".
You seem a little bitter towards college grads in general but especially toward fraternity men.
Don't let your own unhappiness cloud your judgement.
No one in my family ever graduated from college. I determined to change that starting with my family. Our three sons are on their way. The oldest enters law school in about 18 months. While none are in fraternities, they understand if they want to join they pay their own way. We discourage being a 'joiner' to anything, save a good church.
Naaaaa..... Buying your friends is an old custom that goes back to the stone ages.
Frats should not be banned, but this has to be some form of crime. Maybe a form of manslaughter.
I'm not a tee-totaller, but we've had too many generations of people laughing off bing-drinking while thousands of young people die in car wrecks or idiocy like this.
No, they didn't want to kill him. But this kind of reckless behavior shouldn't be tolerated. Let's wake up and stop it.
-- Joe
Well, I respectfully disagree.
I agree that there were problems with Bonfire but the analogy I was making was that people are responsible for their own actions and, even knowing that there are dangers involved in certain activities, people should be free to assume those risks.
Nobody FORCED him to drink that much, he chose to. I would be surprised if the other pledges in the group drank as much as he did.
I do understand that it is a tragedy, but the person primarily responsible for preventing it was the victim.
I wonder where the "Lets sue em!" and "That should be banned!" mentality leads us. There are risks in life and I for one am willing to accept those risks.
Wimpy, spineless whining atheists, blech.
Yeah, there are a couple deaths every year. There are also deaths from being struck by lightning, having windows fall out of high rise buildings, from riding snowmobiles, from owning dogs, from leaving children in cars in the summer, from any number of things.
What you bleeding hearts don't seem to understand is that life is a risk. Unless you are cowering in a cave wearing a hardhat and wrapped up in a mattress you are a hypocrite.
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