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Woman Appears In Court For Eating Candy At Metro Station
nbc4.com ^ | 10/8/04 | AP

Posted on 10/08/2004 9:39:18 AM PDT by skyman

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To: freeeee
And to resort to violence simply because someone disrespected you is one thing, but you would intentionally commit the ultimate act of violence simply because someone insulted you?

Not because of the insult, but because they were behaving in a manner that indicated extreme irrationality. Unfortunately, to wait until I'm actually attacked would essentially be to bet my life on the other person's sanity--which, as I've pointed out, is demonstrably gone.

"He who shoots first writes up the incident report. He who shoots second is likely to never get a chance to shoot at all."

There are certain things that I don't do because they are likely to convince people that I am out to kill them. Screaming obscenities in their face is one of those things.

101 posted on 10/08/2004 10:56:45 AM PDT by Poohbah (SKYBIRD SKYBIRD DO NOT ANSWER...SKYBIRD SKYBIRD DO NOT ANSWER)
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To: skyman

I used to live in Bowie, MD -- all you really need to know here is that the "perp" is from Bowie.

I moved away from Bowie.

That's all I'm gonna say about that.


102 posted on 10/08/2004 10:58:44 AM PDT by Don Simmons (Annoy a liberal: Work hard; Prosper; Be Happy.)
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To: Poohbah
Not because of the insult, but because they were behaving in a manner that indicated extreme irrationality.

In most states I am aware of, the threshold of lethal force is imminent threat to life or limb. "Behaving in a manner that indicated extreme irrationality" won't cut it, unless of course you're not one of the 'little people'. Then its just a game of lords and peasants, which is what we have in this article.

103 posted on 10/08/2004 11:04:48 AM PDT by freeeee ("Owning" property in the US just means you have one less landlord.)
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To: dmz

Yes, she had been drinking. But they wouldn't permit my kids to pick her up. And no, she wasn't belligerent at all.


104 posted on 10/08/2004 11:06:59 AM PDT by brivette
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To: brivette

Doesn't make any sense to me, then.


105 posted on 10/08/2004 11:09:10 AM PDT by dmz
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To: freepertoo
My experiences have taught me that as long as you treat officers with respect, they will normally do the same to you. Just as in any situation, there are good people, and there are bad people. Here is a close transcript of an encounter that I had with a Texas State Trooper years back. (I swear, this guy was a replica of Bufford T. Justice...)

Officer pulls me over in my Mustang GT on Highway 59 south of Houston... Looks into the car for any obvious infraction... (There were none...)

Begins to write information on a ticket...

Of course, I did not believe that I was going all that fast,

I inquire of the officer, "So, how fast was I going?"

He then looked at me and replied "Well, I am filling out this warning ticket, which doesn't have a space for the clocked speed. If you really want to know, I will write it down on the other kind of ticket for you."

Message received by me, my reply: "Thank you officer, that won't be necessary."

He gave me my warning, and I went on my way. Was I speeding? Probably. The difference in my getting a ticket and not getting a ticket was my attitude.

Just treat people how you would want to be treated, and usually things will work out all right.

106 posted on 10/08/2004 11:09:35 AM PDT by cspackler (There are 10 kinds of people in this world, those who understand binary and those who don't.)
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To: GovernmentShrinker
People still eat and drink to their hearts' content on the NYC subways.

And I wish the cops would bust them for doing it. From a personal experience, I once put my briefcase on the floor of the NYC subway. A wad of gum was on the floor in that very spot, which I realized when I picked the brief case up and the gum, which was stuck to the bottom, stretched across my shoes, suit pants, and suit jacket. It looked disgusting and I felt disgusting, but there was nothing that I could do because I was on my way to a very important meeting. I then spend well over an hour later that day picking the stands of gum off my clothes, just so I could send them to the dry cleaner. The resin in the gum, however, left a permanent stain on my shoes and brief case.

The reason why NYC MTA allows eating and drinking on the subway is not because they approve, but because such a rule would be totally unenforcible given the fact that the mass transit system in NYC moves more people every work day than than the the entire population of the nation's third largest city.

107 posted on 10/08/2004 11:10:47 AM PDT by Labyrinthos
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To: cspackler

That's me, too. 99 percent of the time the cops are due respect. I live next door to a swat cop on one side and the sheriff on the other!! They're good guys.

Still wondering, though, if the woman was arrested for eating or for giving a smart answer to a cop who'd heard it one too many times. If she was arrested for a smart remark, she shouldn't have been.


108 posted on 10/08/2004 11:13:06 AM PDT by freepertoo
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To: freeeee

Here's the final result of the incident Mike Wallace had with overzealous cops. Lousy cops should be fired.

http://www.usatoday.com/life/people/2004-08-27-wallace-charges_x.htm?POE=LIFISVA

"an investigation had determined that the inspector who had handcuffed Wallace had not yet received his special patrolman status, which authorizes inspectors to use handcuffs and write summonses.

Both inspectors were placed on desk duty, would be issued warnings and would be required to undergo retraining in conflict resolution, Fromberg said. "


109 posted on 10/08/2004 11:15:12 AM PDT by orangelobster
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To: dmz
What I'm wondering is we have any recourse. My wife has never even had an overdue library book. Yet she was jailed, against her will an deprived of her asthma medicationn. Any suggestions would be helpful.

For the record I apprecitate the job our LEO's do.

110 posted on 10/08/2004 11:16:04 AM PDT by brivette
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To: brivette

Sounds like you need to run it by a local attorney.


111 posted on 10/08/2004 11:17:11 AM PDT by cspackler (There are 10 kinds of people in this world, those who understand binary and those who don't.)
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To: freepertoo

I guess the point that I'm making is, she was arrested for eating, but probably wouldn't have been if she had been respectful. Not saying that it's right, just that it is probably the case.


112 posted on 10/08/2004 11:18:33 AM PDT by cspackler (There are 10 kinds of people in this world, those who understand binary and those who don't.)
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To: cspackler

I agree with you, that's probably what happened. We agree completely. In that case, I personally think it's unjust and the judge should have allowed her to state her case.


113 posted on 10/08/2004 11:20:41 AM PDT by freepertoo
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To: freeeee
In most states I am aware of, the threshold of lethal force is imminent threat to life or limb.

And I would be able to demonstrate it.

Like I said, I don't go around doing the stuff that gets people handcuffed--or killed--by the cops. Yes, I get cited. No, I don't

114 posted on 10/08/2004 11:22:29 AM PDT by Poohbah (SKYBIRD SKYBIRD DO NOT ANSWER...SKYBIRD SKYBIRD DO NOT ANSWER)
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To: Poohbah
BTW, in your little fantasy world where your right to be an a$$hole trumps everyone else's rights, the end result is the same: a fellow citizen will get tired of your s**t and shoot you in the back.

LOL!

How did I know that your solution to life's little problem like eating a candy bar on a subway is to shoot someone in the back?

115 posted on 10/08/2004 11:22:57 AM PDT by Ol' Dan Tucker
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To: Ol' Dan Tucker
How did I know that your solution to life's little problem like eating a candy bar on a subway is to shoot someone in the back?

It wouldn't be for eating a candy bar or other minor annoying behavior; it would be for saying "F*** you, a$$hole, I'll do what I want" when asked to knock off said minor annoying behavior.

Ever since we got "civilized," and quit shooting people for being a$$holes, we've had a significant oversupply of a$$holes running around loose.

116 posted on 10/08/2004 11:26:41 AM PDT by Poohbah (SKYBIRD SKYBIRD DO NOT ANSWER...SKYBIRD SKYBIRD DO NOT ANSWER)
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To: pnz1

No eating on the Metro - $100 fine. I take the Blue line from the Pentagon to downtown and am always warning tourists to at least be discreet.


117 posted on 10/08/2004 11:28:13 AM PDT by nina0113
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To: af_vet_1981

>>Are you also belligerent if a police officer who warns you twice when you are breaking the law (intending that you simply obey the law), but you have to have an attitude with the police and open your mouth ?<<

No. And I hope your apparent presumption -- that the headline should read "Woman arrested for ... after fighting with cop over ..." -- is a correct presumption, but I'm confident it is, and hence why this makes me jittery.


118 posted on 10/08/2004 11:32:24 AM PDT by dangus
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To: dmz

>>please turn yourself in to the nearest cop.<<

OK, POOF! I'm a cop! Now for those without magical powers... :^D


119 posted on 10/08/2004 11:33:19 AM PDT by dangus
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To: nina0113

That's nice of you.


120 posted on 10/08/2004 11:33:53 AM PDT by freepertoo
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