Signs of an earlier American

The Christian Science Monitor ^ | September 23, 2004 | Peter N. Spotts

[blam]

"Further, it occurs to me that certain locations such as Miami and Palm Springs have not been sufficiently explored for evidence of early snowbird migrations, especially from the northeast."

Bye, Bye Beringia
(8,000 year old European Mummies in Florida)

[Bernard Marx]

Hope you're okay after Ivan -- and prepared for the next one! I have no idea where the first Americans came from -- Iberia or Siberia. There simply isn't any bodsy of evidence I'm prepared to accept yet. But anyone who really thinks about these things should wonder why advanced "American" cultures seemed to be centered in MesoAmerica and south of the equator.

If the Clovis people were first, where are the North American cities/structures comparable to Olmec structures in Mexico or many areas in Peru and Colombia? Where did the Maya learn their civil engineering? How did the Moche and other South American cultures become so sophisticated at metallurgy and other difficult skills like stone carving?

Based on the evidence available to my own 'lying eyes,' it's clear that the more advanced civilizations were moving north, not south. Whether these people came from Iberia, Australia, what is presently Japan and China or even Africa, they clearly came by boat. And they came much earlier than the Clovis dogmatists think.

[blam]

"Is there any evidence of a 'world wide' flood in those archeological digs? "

Sure. There was a worldwide flood at the end of the Ice Age, the world's oceans rose between 400-500ft. Read Steven Oppenheimer's book, Eden In The East.

[SunkenCiv]

Well put.

Before Clovis the belief was that the Americas had been occupied for maybe 3000 years, and that before Columbus, no one had reached the Americas by ship. It was a foolish, unsubstantiated belief, and was an outgrowth of the politics of the time.

Isolationist politics are still at work today (the Buchanan Brigade, for just one such example).

Louis Leakey, while studying and lecturing in the US, brought down upon himself the wrath of the godfather of the 3000 year chronology by suggesting that 3000 years weren't nearly enough for the development of so many distinct cultures and languages, and (at that time) three civilizations. Later, Leakey was involved with the Calico site, which at 200K years old was rejected, despite the obvious connections with the stone "technology" sites found elsewhere in the world.

Clovis points were first identified in 1932 (thereabouts) but were not accepted due to the discerned dating. Radiocarbon dating cleared away remaining doubt about the antiquity of Clovis, but rather than opening minds, the permissible maximum age was merely set to a higher figure, what I call "Clovis First and Only".

Thanks to the efforts of (and the abuse heaped upon) Tom Dillehay, the CFAO belief system is stone cold dead, although it still speaks through some trance mediums from time to time. ;')

George W. Bush will be reelected by a margin of at least ten per cent

[SunkenCiv]

an older GGG thread:

Rediscovering America.
(The New World May Be 20,000 Years Older Than Experts Thought)
Blue Corn Comics (?) | Charles W, Petit
Posted on 12/10/2003 1:30:57 PM PST by blam
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1037905/posts

[blam]

"Where did the Maya learn their civil engineering? How did the Moche and other South American cultures become so sophisticated at metallurgy and other difficult skills like stone carving?"

See my post #23. They came from the east when Sundaland went underwater at the end of the Ice Age.

Also, read Dr Robert Schoch's book, Voyages Of The Pyramid Builders

[ErnBatavia]

South Carolina dig could move habitation date back another 12,000 years.

I saw an old crone (think Helen Thomas) alongside a country road there - selling boiled peanuts.....She's been there for 12,000 years, fershur.

[hispanarepublicana]

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[blam]

"Later, Leakey was involved with the Calico site, which at 200K years old was rejected, despite the obvious connections with the stone "technology" sites found elsewhere in the world."

Did you read George Carter's book, Earlier Than You Think.

[Bernard Marx]

I'm not questioning that they came from the east -- but they didn't learn that stuff from Clovis hunters! They brought it with them or added to their knowledge base as cultural diffusion continued. There were certainly many migrational 'pulses' during the Ice Age as people from many areas sought land and food in warmer climates.

[SunkenCiv]

I know which book you mean; I may have it around here somewhere. Probably, Carter is best read after Stephen Howe's "Afrocentrism". I've really got to take a week off from the internet and clean this hideous mess. The only way to establish the age of some of these fast food bags is radiocarbon dating...

George W. Bush will be reelected by a margin of at least ten per cent

[metacognative]

Coastal ecosystems are similar all the way.

[bagman]

No, I don't think that that is at all true. Compare the Alaskan Fjords to Big Sur, California, to the desert coasts of Peru. Different survival skills are needed.

(Are we shooting to establish a record for longest lasting thread?)

[metacognative]

Nah....

[SunkenCiv]