Posted on 09/21/2004 8:24:29 PM PDT by GIJoel
Saint John Chrysostom, instructing women on dress...
"You carry your snare everywhere and spread your nets in all places. You allege that you never invited others to sin. You did not, indeed, by your words, but you have done so by your dress and your deportment. ... When you have made another sin in his heart, how can you be innocent? Tell me, whom does this world condemn? Whom do judges punish? Those who drink poison or those who prepare it and administer the fatal potion? You have prepared the abominable cup, you have given the death dealing drink, and you are more criminal than are those who poison the body; you murder not the body but the soul. And it is not to enemies you do this, nor are you urged on by any imaginary necessity, nor provoked by injury, but out of foolish vanity and pride."
And he was correct. There are a number of Americans supporting the idea of chechnya becoming a state of its own. Chechnya is part of Russia. Putin was correct that there are Americans who are financing the war from the chechen side. If chechnya is independent of Russia, that would be a chunk carved from Russia.
Putin is also correct in that a number of prominent Americans would like to see Russia carved into many smaller states. Brzezinsky and Halfbright are two of them.
There is nothing hard or surprising about this statement, but perhaps you need to see it as not aimed at Bush, which it was not.
It's probably fair to say that we were in full agreement about Rachel Corrie. If you think her travels to Palestine were about helping children, you have a lot to learn.
That's like that islamic "charity" who was collecting for chechen children. Not. Turns out they were funding terrorism. And we shut them down, coincidentally just after Putin's speech.
You really cannot believe that these supposed charity groups are all about going into these war zones and taking food and blankets for children. Be serious.
What did burning the American flag have to do with helping children?
"In a statement, Treasury officials said their investigation "shows direct links between the U.S. branch and Osama bin Laden."
They also said donations to the Ashland charity for Chechen refugees were "diverted to support mujahedeen, as well as Chechen leaders affiliated with the al-Qaida network."
And there's your west supporting the chechen terrorists, as well, btw.
Islam rises and falls on Muhammad. He is the doctrine's sole prophet, its lone founder, its god's singular conduit. Yet the picture the Islamic scriptures paint is not flattering. I analyzed the five most holy Islamic books and spent two years studying Muhammad and his message. What I found was bone chilling. The depiction of the prophet by the most revered Muslim sources is horrendous. Nearly every page reveals behavior that is immoral, criminal, and violent. The five oldest and most trusted Islamic sources don't portray Muhammad as a great and godly man. They reveal that he was a thief, liar, assassin, mass murderer, terrorist, warmonger, and an unrestrained sexual pervert engaged in pedophilia, incest, and rape. He authorized deception, assassinations, torture, slavery, and genocide. He was a pirate, not a prophet. According to the Hadith and the Qur'an, Muhammad and his henchmen plundered their way to power and prosperity. And by putting the Qur'an in chronological order and correlating it with the context of Muhammad's life as it was reported in the Sira, Sunnah and Hadith, we also find that Allah mirrored his prophet's character. Muhammad's god condoned immoral and criminal behavior. Allah boasts about being a terrorist. He claims to have deceived men, to have stolen their property, to have enslaved women and children, to having committed acts of murder, genocide, and sadistic tortures.
Islam has been at war with everyone, including itself, for 1400 years. In Prophet Of Doom you'll see why Muslims celebrate their "victories," no matter how many innocents perish. You'll learn why their state-controlled media promotes terror. You'll know why their state-controlled schools teach hate. It will become evident why imams encourage martyrdom and jihad. You will discover Islam's goals and read what it has to say about itself. You will see how violent conquest, racist genocide, and the spoils of war established the doctrine and turned a failed prophet into a world-renowned profiteer. I recognize that these words are incompatible with the prevailing notions of our politicians, religious leaders, and media. Yet the evidence is unambiguous and ubiquitous. The truth is undeniable: today's terrorists haven't corrupted their religion. Islam has corrupted them. They are following their prophet's example.
He was a special liaison between the Polish Communists and the Syndicate (where The Cigarette Smoking Man belonged).
I love that.
Conquered people should resign themselves to remain conquered, I bet you that somewhere in an American colony, some person once said "America is a part of England" as their argument against the American Revolutionary War.
In this forum, people wax on endlessly about freedom being a gift from God bestowed upon mankind, our inalienable rights as children of a giving and caring Almighty...with the exception of the people of Chechnya.
Chechens have never stopped fighting their Russian conquerors, never in the 145 year history of the Russian occupation have they accepted the yoke of Russian oppression, and I don't think they ever will.
Exactly the same people who helped breakup of Yugoslavia and handed Kosovo to the Muslims.
Sometimes it is better if they do. Or according to you, should the Iroquois Nation claim back the upstate New York and more? Why are you so eager to fight Russia to the last Chechen? You do not do Chechens any favor.
If they can take it back, it's their birthright.
"Why are you so eager to fight Russia to the last Chechen?"
Why are you so eager to defend communists?
I'd prefer it if the Irish took it back. After all, they were here before the Indians.
Radical islamic expansionism has friends here on FR.
Can't you find something adult to offer instead of opting to go with this "your god Allah" schtick?
Even you are better than this.
It's not playing ostrich, it's siding with the Islamosavages. Predictable however, among Israel/Jew-haters and anti-America traitors. These times call for unvarnished truth, don't you think?
Your god is Allah. I am dead serious. Allah is very happy to hear what you say about Israel. You have chosen sides and it's with the Mohammedan Jihadists.
It's the same old same old. LaShana Tova to you.
I'm sorry, MarMema ... I'm not sure I can pretend to take seriously or actually respect the arguments of your friend Dennis, in particular, or even you ... where your scrutiny of alleged links and conspiracies related to charities and misguided pinko martyrs for the cause of Palestinians or Chechens somehow overlooks entirely Uncle Sam's consistent sponsorship of the Osamas of the world or Soviet-style brutality visited primarily on the "collateral damage" if not the wined and dined leadership who somehow manage to sail through unscathed ... as if saved for another day.
Had Dennisw and friends not had my initial posts on Mohammedism yanked (on account of Hilaire Belloc's being some kind of raging "anti-semite" ... as that term is sometimes applied to Jews only and not the Mohammedans he was attacking with a vengeance), I might be able to link Dennis to ammunition he'd find far more useful were he really that interested in addressing the heart of the matter moreso than helping to perpetual the cycle of endless conflict and continued enrichment of the Usual Suspects.
Sorry it turned out thus. On the upside, however, I don't hold grudges or anything so shall look forward to catching you on threads where facts and cogent analysis take a front seat to the more absurd, childish, hateful and despicable name-calling that is the specialty of posters like Dennis.
Cheers.
I never saw those Hillaire Belloc posts of yours, nor did I push the abuse button, nor did I have any of your posts pulled. Haven't pushed abuse button in two years.
=== Allah is very happy to hear what you say about Israel.
I would be more worried about what God has to say about the State of Israel if I were you.
Just as you can judge a Mohammedan by his relative fidelity to the heretical writings of Mohammed and others, there are those who question how close the State of Israel tracks anymore the example of Abraham.
And if you are of a mind that God still lays waste as He pleases to anyone who gets in the way of his Chosen people, it's a particular irony -- is it not? -- that Israel's primary supporter is a nation whose Declaration of Independence starts with the baldfaced lie that "all men are created equal".
=== Haven't pushed abuse button in two years.
That's nice to hear, actually ...
Though it's true that most who might merit such attention from you are long gone via banning or by choice. Sad, that.
I think the place has suffered, actually, where the rational discussion of even the most painful or divisive subjects is concerned. It only exacerbates the flow of fearmongering by which this nation increasingly is bled.
There are striking similarities among the stroller-suiciders, the killers of the children at Beslan, and those lovely "religious" scum who pray as they cut off the heads of someone completely innocent because some state has not met their demands.
Evil is as evil does.
Thank God for the growing agreement among us on the other side. May it continue and blossom.
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