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National Museum of the American Indian a stunning showcase of history and culture
The Pittsburgh Post-Gazette ^ | Tuesday, September 21, 2004 | Karen MacPherson

Posted on 09/21/2004 12:14:18 PM PDT by Willie Green

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To: Publius6961
Finally, as far as history is concerned, I have yet to identify a single positive item that can be traced to these losers that contributed in any significant way to the present dynamic, inventive preeminent American culture.

That would be because you are, apparently, pretty damned ignorant about early american history - which is pretty plain to see based on what you said.

101 posted on 09/22/2004 11:14:32 AM PDT by Chad Fairbanks (How do you ask a hamster to be the last hamster to die for a mistake?)
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To: ladylib
I believe it was CNN I was watching last night when this story appeared. Apparently, this museum refuses to show the indians as victims. The reporter was sort of sad about it, hoping that the museum will eventually evolve into a PC whine fest.

Haha. This is similar to the Los Angeles Times front page story today on the museum opening. They are desperate to put the PC "spin" on it, which the museum may not ACTUALLY have. We have yet to read a live first person report here on FR.

102 posted on 09/22/2004 11:16:06 AM PDT by KiloLima ("...I have seen the character of a great nation: decent, and idealistic and strong." - GWB, 9-2-04)
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To: Chad Fairbanks
While the colonists were living under the bootheel of oppression by their Royal British Masters, we Iroqouis were enjoying the fruits of a constitutionally-based representative government... But, since we didn't have "The Wheel", we ain't s**t... ;0)

Inventing history after the fact is a well-known practice forever. Academics love that sort of fraud. Ever heard of Margaret Mead? I am still looking for that contemporarily written documentation in an Indian language for the myth of constitutionally-based representative government.

I have this Atlantis story I can share with you. Not written in Atlantean, mind you, but the Europeans who wrote it down swear that is is a perfect and accurate record of oral Atlantean History!

103 posted on 09/22/2004 11:19:50 AM PDT by Publius6961 (I don't do diplomacy either)
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To: Publius6961
Point me to a 500 year old document written by the natives in a native language 500 years ago, and I will admit the error of my ways and apologize naked at the Washington mall.

That is only a very small part of the "Great Binding Law", or the "Great Law of Peace" - part of the Hiawatha Belt (currently on display at a museum in New York) which was where the "constitution" was recorded...

It was recorded on a series of belts, in pictographs that represented a written native language...

I'd get to the mall quick, before the weather gets too much colder...

104 posted on 09/22/2004 11:20:24 AM PDT by Chad Fairbanks (How do you ask a hamster to be the last hamster to die for a mistake?)
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To: Willie Green

Just reminds me of the lousy experience while paying and staying at the campground on the Hoopa reservation near Willow Creek, 20 years ago. My then husband probably had more indian (his father was eligible for Juneau Tlingit reservation rights) than the so called braves that harrassed us for 2 days, by shooting at and threatening to kill us and the kids.


105 posted on 09/22/2004 11:24:16 AM PDT by tertiary01 (Have "Jammies"----Will Freep)
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To: Publius6961

I've invented nothing. The Great Law of Peace has been around since at least the 1500s, when the Iroquois Confederacy (AKA The Five Nations) was formed... Between the oral traditions, the codification in belts, etc... the system worked, and made the Five Nations the major power on the continent - a power recognized by the early settlers, such as the French and British, and one treated as an equal for quite some time.


106 posted on 09/22/2004 11:24:37 AM PDT by Chad Fairbanks (How do you ask a hamster to be the last hamster to die for a mistake?)
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To: AroundTheWorldTraveler
The limestone exterior is designed to resemble a natural rock formation.

Unfortunately, yes. I dislike the building. It is architecturally out of step with the rest of the Mall. It is obtrusive and blocks site lines. It is clutter. Of course, I've disliked every new thing on the Mall since the Vietnam Memorial. Unfortunately, since every group that thinks it has sufficient lobbying clout wants to be on the Mall, I suppose we won't stop until we pave the whole thing.

That said, I look forward to seeing the new Museum. I just hope it's not too PC. The Smithsonian used to display an Indian chief's necklace made entirely of the severed little fingers of his victims, including many women and children. I hope that makes the cut.

107 posted on 09/22/2004 11:27:00 AM PDT by sphinx
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To: sphinx
The Smithsonian used to display an Indian chief's necklace made entirely of the severed little fingers of his victims, including many women and children. I hope that makes the cut.

As do I. Of course, I also hope they also display the collections of men's, women's, and children's scalps taken by government soldiers as well ;0)

108 posted on 09/22/2004 11:34:18 AM PDT by Chad Fairbanks (How do you ask a hamster to be the last hamster to die for a mistake?)
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To: Chad Fairbanks

Agreed. I hope the Indian wars are treated, and treated fairly. I just hope there's not a PC whitewash.


109 posted on 09/22/2004 12:14:15 PM PDT by sphinx
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To: sphinx

Agreed. There was good and bad on both sides, and I hope the various indian cultures are show accurately, without going too far one way or another...

As ben franklin once said about my Iroquoian ancestors:

"It would be strange if ignorant savages could execute a union that persisted ages and appears indissoluble; yet like union is impractical for twelve colonies to whom it is more necessary and advantageous."

Which, in theory could be loosely transalted to mean, "If those stupid indians can make a confederation of nations, then surely we could since we are so much better than they are" ;0)


110 posted on 09/22/2004 12:29:41 PM PDT by Chad Fairbanks (How do you ask a hamster to be the last hamster to die for a mistake?)
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111 posted on 10/09/2004 4:41:44 PM PDT by SunkenCiv ("All I have seen teaches me trust the Creator for all I have not seen." -- Emerson)
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To: Chad Fairbanks
Agreed. There was good and bad on both sides, and I hope the various indian cultures are show accurately, without going too far one way or another...

I finally made it to the Museum and I'm afraid you will be as disappointed as I was. On first impresion, it's a thoroughly PC, social history oriented place. It seems to be devoted to "dispelling stereotypes," and so we are tediously shown that Indians today live just about everywhere, do just about every kind of job, and even, I guess, wear shoes and pants. Etc. This is the kind of rot that has contaminated the teaching and writing of history: yes, we need to understand about the textures of everyday life, but ordinary people doing ordinary things makes for a pretty boring story. If I'm going to invest a day in a museum, I want the battles and leaders, shot and shell, high drama and deep tragedy.

I already knew that modern Indians wore pants. Don't need a museum for that.

112 posted on 10/09/2004 5:35:58 PM PDT by sphinx
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