Evil's true name

Herald Sun ^ | 8th September 2004 | Andrew Bolt

[sweneop]

now weve decided whose fault it is, remind me again how bombing mecca would further our cause?

[sweneop]

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-chechnya7sep07,1,2978208.story?coll=la-home-headlines

they already kidnapped some chechen leaders families apparently. dont mess with the russians.

[oceanperch]

Yeah but I wish there was a way to not kill more babies and kids in a retaliation.

[Euro-American Scum]

Evil's true name

Thou art John Kerry. I'm sure I'd be thrilled with Kerry's bold and swift response to a similar attack on a U.S. school. And that would include explaining why, exactly, we had it coming and negotiating with the French.

[wyattearp]

"Yeah but I wish there was a way to not kill more babies and kids in a retaliation."

There is that. We have to remember that we aren't like them. Reducing ourselves to their level would be giving them a gift. That is why I suggested that we let the Russians do it. ;-)

[KDD]

If Islam as a religion allows such murderous extremists to lay claim to a place within that religion then every Muslim is complicit in any terrorists acts done under the banner of Allah.

No one wants a war with Islam. But if the religous leaders of that religion do not put an end, one way or another, to the radical factions within itself, then we (the rest of the world)will. Those Muslims who are complicit with the Islamic terrorists by their silence will be caught in the fire with their brothers in the faith.

Americans can be bloodthirsty also...take note of our own civil war.
Islam needs such a war to define itself.

[Fiddlstix]

BTTT

[truth_seeker]

"ENOUGH. Finally enough with the evasions and excuses -- the pretence that this had nothing to do with Islamism."

Expect we'll be hearing this more and more, from coherent people.

Islam seeks to be the dominant organizing institution of the world. Hiding behind the false label of "religion."

For every person killed by muslims, 1,000 muslims should be killed. With that ratio, they might consider reforming.

[wyattearp]

"Americans can be bloodthirsty also...take note of our own civil war. "

Um... I don't think that Americans are particularly bloodthirsty, nor do I think that our civil war is evidence of such. Our civil war was fought because the north believed that they had the right to cram unconstitutional federal authority down the throats of the states and the Southern states called BS on it.

And a lot of people died.

We're not bloodthirsty, we just don't take any crap.

[wyattearp]

Just wanted to say that I agree with everything else that you said.

[KDD]

Trying to draw parallels between what was a factious split in our Republic and what I hope is a split in Islam.

For better or worse, our own "War of Northern Agression", defined what direction this country would take from that point on.

In the process, more Americans died in that War then in all other U.S. Wars...combined.

Islam needs to define it's direction...in perhaps the same way we did. But for that to happen, there must be strong disagreement within Islam on religous principals, and Muslims with courage to take arms against the evil in their Church. I don't know that such is the case. We shall see.

[NJ Neocon]

Er...

The Civil War was fought because the South saw the writing on the wall vis-a-vis slavery. They were just peachy-keen with Federal Authority when it was preotecting their property rights.

States Rights is the mantra on the Neoconfederate mythos. Ever single sessesionist state SPECIFICALLY mentioned the threat to slavery as the cause of their discontent in their articles of seperation.

Anyhooo...that was a long time ago...we is all one happy family now.

The correct example of our Jacksonian tendencies (more accurate than "Bloodthirsty") would be the defeat of Nipponese facism.

[UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide]

Are you trying to tell us that there are Muslims who do not believe this:


[9.29] Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Apostle have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection.

[9.30] And the Jews say: Uzair is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!

If there are Muslims with holes in their Korans at this point, then I will agree with you. Otherwise, you don't have a clue what you're talking about.

[MarMema]

ping

[Little Ray]

Christian Identity would do this to Jews or Blacks if they could.

[wyattearp]

"Christian Identity would do this to Jews or Blacks if they could."

Really? They would if they could? They would invade a Jewish or Black school, strip hundreds of little children to their underwear, starve them, withold water for three days, and then shoot them and throw the bodies out the windows? Really? They'd do that?

Tell you what: go to Christian Identity (whoever they are) and tell them what kinds of horrors you think that they are capable of. Let me know what they say.

[NJ Neocon]

"Christian Identity" is a VERY small, very nut-wing, White Supremacist/Neo-Nazi organization.

They have been credited with a few small crimes and one or too murders, but nothing remotely approaching the Isalmofascists.

[Little Ray]

Dude, you don't know what you're talking about. These links are from lefty types, but they give you some idea of whom we are discussing.

http://www.religioustolerance.org/cr_ident.htm
http://www.rickross.com/groups/christian_identity.html
http://www.adl.org/learn/ext_us/Christian_Identity.asp?xpicked=4&item=Christian_ID

These are not normal folks. They are to Christianity what the Wahabbi are to Islam, 'cept that, unlike the Wahabbi, they are not mainstream to any rational type of Christianity.
I'm not telling them or asking them anything!

[Little Ray]

That's right. They are VERY small, probably less than 50,000 altogether. The best of them are petty thugs with delusions of grandeur.
However, IIRC, there was a story about possible connections to the Murrah (OKC) bombing, so they shouldn't be discounted entirely.

[wyattearp]

I don't recall saying anything that indicated that I know anything about these folks, in fact I said the opposite.

From what you have said, they have 50,000 members, are heavily armed, and have been in existence for at least 10 years. In that time they have committed several murders while committing robberies. They are essentially bullies and thugs with delusions of grandeur. They have not committed crimes against humanity, nor are they likely to do so.

Compared to the Islamic psychopaths running around, these folks sound like girlie men.