Posted on 08/26/2004 2:47:43 PM PDT by stockpirate
I am thinking something in Germany (former East) or Czech Republic might yield something on VVAW 1971. Too bad the window of opportunity closed compared to the earlier days.
I already had the link and that is where I saw the blacked out information. stockpirate had a good argument as to why it might not be her.
I tend to agree with stockpirate because if it was Jane Fonda, why would her name be blacked out. Normally the person being investigated is blacked out, right?
I can't figure out what other woman was involved though.
It does say "her personal account". I have no other idea who it could be.
I agree with your assessment...especially after he got creamed by the McCain smear even though he wasn't involved in it.
No one in their right minds really thinks Kerry is a war hero. He served...that's it! I'm not criticizing that he served either...that is honorable. However, his lying, embellishments, nontruths, etc. and then smearing the vets upon his return makes him despicable in my mind.
They black out information that may indicate sources or techniques.
And sometimes information that they just don't want to get out.
Once I read a part where they blocked out what the person purchased in the store.
I'm going to throw this out for discussion:
John Kerry first became familiar with the VVAW through his sister Peggy, in 1969.
Do you think the sister is a possibility? Wasn't Kerry's father a Communist-lite?
I think there's additional information to support that. Nicosia, Home to War, 213 mentions that in 8/71 the PCPJ cosponsored a trip by the VVAW's Joe Urgo to Hanoi. Nicosia, 200 mentions that Kerry had a dispute with Al Hubbard because Hubbard had gone to Moscow to accept an award, which Kerry thought was imprudent.
Also, besides Moscow and Hanoi, the VVAW sent delegations to Paris, and--according to FBI file 100-448092, Section 14, p. 54 on the Winter Soldier site--in 2/72 a VVAW meeting announced a fundraiser by the Vencermos Brigade to send trainees to Cuba.
"wow - this info could be hazardous to his political health!"
Let's hope so! Would need to get more information to substantiate my suspicion, though.
It is true. There are several instances where these trips are mentioned. The Urgo trip mentions that several traveled with him but I don't think it states who.
Very good guess about the sister. She was described as a peace activist in an article in the Boston Globe.
That's very possible.
I don't know about his father, however. Just that he was a diplomat of some sort.
Another trail would be Hanoi's links to the antiwar press. The Soviets and North Vietnamese had several front news outlets networked in the US with the Institute for Policy Studies (IPS) and such groups--Liberation News Service (LNS, linked to Raymond Mungo and Marshall Bloom), Dispatch News Service (linked to KGB agent Wilfred Burchett, Philip Stern and Richard Barnet of IPS, Seymour Hersh, and Gary Porter, who later shows up as Kerry's legislative aide in the 1980s). I found a 1972 book by Hersh which mentions in the footnotes, "For information on the allegations regarding prisoner abuses, contact the Vietnam Veterans Agains the War. . .The testimony of its 'Winter Soldier' hearings, held in January 1971, received scant newspaper attention at the time, although much of the proceeedings were published in the 'Congressional Record' on April 6 and 7, 1971. A series of similar hearings has been sponsored by the Citizens Commission of Inquiry (CCI). . .which was organized in November, 1969, following the first public disclosures of the My Lai 4 massacre. . ." It appears that Hersh's own work on My Lai--which was initially publicized by Dispatch News Service--helped spark the CCI/VVAW "war crimes" investigation (Nicosia actually says as much on 73-74 of his book where he credits Hersh's work with inspiring Winter Soldier). It stands to reason that whichever agents of Moscow and Hanoi were involved with Hersh and Dispatch News would've also taken an interest in Winter Soldier.
Jane Fonda would've been one of their probable contacts, as her and Tom Hayden supported Winter Soldier before there was a split between VVAW/Fonda and CCI over her support of Mark Lane (who didn't get along with the CCI's Robert Jay Lifton, if I recall right; and Lifton was linked to the IPS' Richard Falk--who testified at the CCI's "hearings"--and Cora Weiss; was this dispute a "party discipline" issue?). Nicosia, 77, mentions that in conjunction with Fonda, the CCI's Tod Ensign and Jeremry Rifkin were aided by the CP's Phil Spiro, and Nicosia, 82 says Ensign sent a representative to the Swedish CP, which was conducting a similar inquiry.
Hersh also mentions some more names of note:
"On April 26-29, 1971, a number of former GIs and officers testified about war crimes before an ad hoc Congressional committee chaired by Representative Ronald V. Dellum[s], California Democrat. . .An excellent compilation of alleged American violations of international law in South Vietnam. . .is 'In the Name of America', a study published in January, 1968, by the Clergy and Laity Concerned about Vietnam [CALCAV]. . .Also see 'Crimes of War', edited by Richard A. Falk and Robert Jay Lifton. . ." Of the above names, Dellums, Falk, and Lifton were involved in Winter Soldier, while CALCAV had been sending delegations to Hanoi in the 1960s (they were cofounded by Daniel Berrigan, who went to Hanoi in 1968 and published his diary of the trip as the book "Night Flight to Hanoi").
If accessing KGB files isn't feasible, what about sources in Paris or Oslo? It seems like those were key contact points. There must be a ton of information on the antiwar movement in Paris.
Do you know where (what city) Agnew was going to deliver this speech? Also, what year?
I know for a fact that the gunning running in Cairo, IL nearly destroyed that town. There were riots and fire bombings that still have left their mark to this day.
I am sure that John Kerry is in there, assisting them in their "giai phong" National Liberation efforts. I'd love to get ahold of that stuff.
Question: Was VVAW-WSO ever officially placed either on the Attorney General's List of Subversive Organizations, or the Senate Internal Security Committee's List, or did they ever get a HUAC rating (House Un American Activities Committee)??
In the northest say Mass. but I have to check.
I was just wondering, because I went to an Agnew speech in Cape Girardeau, Missouri (home of Rush Limbaugh) in either 1968 or 1969.
"Question: Was VVAW-WSO ever officially placed either on the Attorney General's List of Subversive Organizations, or the Senate Internal Security Committee's List, or did they ever get a HUAC rating (House Un American Activities Committee)??"
I don't know if VVAW per se was, but the faction of the New Mobe that helped VVAW organize Dewey Canyon III, the National Peace Action Coalition (NCAP), was a front for the Socialist Workers Party (SWP), which was designated by the Attorney General under Executive Order 10450. In May 1971, following Dewey Canyon III, the House Internal Security Committee investigated the NCAP and the other major faction of New Mobe that helped organize Dewey Canyon III, the People's Coalition for Peace and Justice (PCPJ), and found that both were under "substantial Communist influence".
There are serious communist ties to dems going on...and the media won't question it. The media is liberal...makes me wonder how many ties they have...
The Dems are have never stopped taking money from communists!
Clinton, Gore, Kerry.
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