Exit neocons, stage left

AFF Brainwash ^ | Aug 22, 2004 | Timothy P. Carney

[A. Pole]

Why do some folks hate it so, that some other folks that are social moderates, think America should and must have a muscular foreign policy

They are not motivated by hatred, but by concern that America is being overextended.

[A. Pole]

In far left and right circles it equals JEW.

Is the charge of antisemitism the last defence of neoconservatism?

[Robert_Paulson2]

joos and their supporters.
like me.

[sinkspur]

I guess it is because many of neocons are Jewish.

Guess again.

[Torie]

Well that is fair comment. But I think the real movtivation for these Paleos, whom I oppose on almost everything, is not overextension, but the ends of the policy. I think it is a desire to housebreak Israel, and that desire trumps all other considerations. Some of these folks were once militant hawks (with nary a word about "overextension," when the ends were different. And of course, America is not overextended. That is a lie, a flat out lie. A monopoly on high tech warfare, with relatively few personnel, and the end of the need to have troops in Europe, except as support bases for elsewhere, is at an end.

[A. Pole]

I guess it is because many of neocons are Jewish.

Guess again.

Prove that my guess is wrong.

[Torie]

This self proclaimed, repeatedly, Neocon, is a WASP.

[Texasforever]

Nope it is just the truth.

[A. Pole]

And of course, America is not overextended. That is a lie, a flat out lie.

It is plain truth, not a lie.

[Torie]

Whatever. Maybe it is time for Syria to make its move. :)

[Rightwing Conspiratr1]

Neocons are Amercian imperialists.

[A. Pole]

This self proclaimed, repeatedly, Neocon, is a WASP.

I do not think that is very healthy to dwell on racial origin of the participants of political debate. The political views, including neoconservatism should be defended by the objective arguments. When you start to cry that others disagree with your theories because you are Jewish, or WASP, or black or a woman, you admit that you have LOST!

[sinkspur]

Most neo-cons are not, in fact, Jewish, but most paleo-cons pick out the Jews to highlight. They do that for a reason.

Want to guess what that reason is?

[A. Pole]

Whatever. Maybe it is time for Syria to make its move. :)

Maybe Syria will be another cakewalk, maybe Iran too. But have you heard about the straw that broke the camel's back?

[Torie]

If Bush is re-elected, we will never find out, at least for four more years. Cheers.

[A. Pole]

Most neo-cons are not, in fact, Jewish, but most paleo-cons pick out the Jews to highlight.

I will be glad if you list ten leading neocons with their religious affiliation. If you are right, let us put this question to rest. Also we can help genuine critics of neoconservatism to ensure proper mix of targets.

[Torie]

Write down George W. Bush as one such chap on your list. I think he is a Methodist.

[A. Pole]

If Bush is re-elected, we will never find out, at least for four more years. Cheers.

I am afraid that the expansion is bipartisan unstoppable trend, be it Yugoslavia or Iraq. Bush even tried to stop it (as he promised in his 2000 campaign) and failed. Maybe we are watching something like Greek tragedy (or maybe Spanish since it was Spain the first global superpower which could not stop until she collapsed from exhaustion).

I doubt that neocons really can control this trend, rather they are superficial intellectuals who happen to flow with the current and stay on the surface.

[sinkspur]

Bill Bennett-Catholic.
Jeanne Kirkpatrick-Catholic
Jack Kemp-Catholic
Fred Barnes-Episcopalian
Laura Ingraham-?
Sean Hannity-Catholic
Rush Limbaugh-?

There are seven neo-cons who never get quoted by these paleo-cons. Instead, the Buchananites slam the Jewish guys.

Everybody knows what's going on here.

[Torie]

Whatever you say. I do find it odd that you now suggest that neos are mere flotsam twigs in a rapidly flowing stream, rather than the Machiavellian Svengali behind the curtain. Which is it?