Posted on 08/20/2004 11:11:23 PM PDT by Remember_Salamis
Try to comprehend the material in the links provided instead of creating an adhoc argument sometimeMaybe you should try to comprehend the material you link to. It discusses the compliance costs that could be borne in prices:
That's $150 billion. And before you go off, revenue lost to the treasury due to evasion, distortions, and other costs to the economy are not seen in prices (although I'm sure you will try to say they are).
Its time to sum the figures. Direct compliance costs, both in filing and in buying expert advice, exceed $100 billion. Direct tax-planning costsconsulting with lawyers, accountants, purveyors of tax shelters, and financial plannersexceed $35 billion.
You're just makin' stuff up now to try and sound like you know what you're talking about.
Whistling through a graveyard YN, too bad you don't have a clue and are winging it as usual.
The NRST rate has nothing to do with the taxes "embedded" in prices right now.
The enacted NRST rate will be the one commensurate with current conditions, and is in the process of being established as we tinker around your little side issues instead of dealing with the fundamental purposes and goals of the bill.
1st, Repeal of the income/payroll tax system in its entirety, with a viable tax system not dependant of the 16th amendment.
2nd, Repeal the 16th amendment and prohibit the income tax by Constitutional amendment.
Bottomline:
"As a matter of fact, what the income tax does and this is the debate that I think we always try to get into in order to let you and him fight, see and the people of this country are led down a path where the actual control of their resources, which in the end is the control over their will, is handed off to the government." . . . "The government then manipulates that will in order to destroy the freedom of our electoral system through the income tax structure, and we call the resulting slavery a free system." "In point of fact, it is not as the founders understood, and the only way to restore real freedom is to give people back control over the income that they earn so that they wont, at the voting booth and in other phony issues, be subject to that manipulation." |
I discussed the importance of abolishing the income tax because of its tendency to form a habit of servility in the souls of a people that accepts it. Servility of soul is bad not only in itself, it is also an open door through which will soon walk the abuses of ambitious government power. Leaders who find themselves with governmental power over a servile people will be quick to conclude that such a people exist to serve them. |
The intent of the structure of the individual income tax is for political and social mainpulation not revenue collection. The Individual Income tax is maintained to establish and hold every person in the country in perpetual legal jeopardy and to create artificial divisions among the electorate (rich vs. poor; big business vs. the little guy; etc).
Considering those factors, it is always good to remember the philosophical roots of the left which can be found here: Manifesto of the Communist Party, by Karl Marx and Frederick Engels, published in 1848. Holding #2 in the list of tactical toolbox is "A heavy progressive or graduate income tax." to achieve there dominant goal:
"The proletariat will use its political supremacy to wrest, by degree, all capital from the bourgeoisie, to centralize all instruments of production in the hands of the state ... . Of course, in the beginning, this cannot be effected except by means of despotic inroads on the rights of property ... . These measures will, of course, be different in different countries. Nevertheless, in most advanced countries, the following will be pretty generally applicable. "
That's $150 billion. And before you go off, revenue lost to the treasury due to evasion, distortions, and other costs to the economy are not seen in prices (although I'm sure you will try to say they are).
Better back up to #221 my freind you are a day late and a dollar short.
All your "sources" contradict each other. You pick one point from one, something else from another, and try to piece it together into some type of coherent conclusion that fits your desired outcome. But all you've done is create a unbelievable mess. You are the Dr. Frankenstein of economics.
And get a refresher course in arithmetic. Concentrate real hard
LOL! Were you saying something about concentration? It's really hard for you to not skew the numbers isn't it?
I'm still waiting for that demonstration on how you can reduce yout rent 20% and not lose money...It should be no problem for you, you're such a mathematician and all
All your "sources" contradict each other. You pick one point from one, something else from another, and try to piece it together into some type of coherent conclusion that fits your desired outcome. But all you've done is create a unbelievable mess. You are the Dr. Frankenstein of economics.
I understand now, you are are limited to a single track and unable to collate information across extended time frames different authors.
That's unfortunate but enlightening as to why you hold to the belief system you do.
"Collate"!?! Is that what you call it?
"Collate"!?! Is that what you call it?
Sorry to inform you of one of the basics of life you seem to have missed in what could only be assumed to be a spoon fed existence, the unfortunate fact is information is always spread out among many sources.
In a perfect world everything would be all together in one precise paper, the answers with 6 decimal place crystal ball accuracy, and easily found and available to all for view.
But in the real world, one collates the resource available and if real lucky might not be directly charged for it.
http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?collate
Main Entry: col·late
Pronunciation: k&-'lAt, kä-, kO-; 'kä-", 'kO-"
Function: transitive verb
Inflected Form(s): col·lat·ed; col·lat·ing
Etymology: back-formation from collation
1 a : to compare critically b : to collect , compare carefully in order to verify, and often to integrate or arrange in order
2 [Latin collatus, past participle] : to institute (a cleric) to a benefice
3 a : to verify the order of (printed sheets) b : to assemble in proper order; especially : to assemble (as printed sheets) in order for binding
synonym see COMPARE
1 a : to compare critically b : to collect , compare carefully in order to verify, and often to integrate or arrange in orderWell you obviously aren't collating.
I wasn't aware Keyes was an expert on taxation.
Do you have a link in your massive link file to his qualifications as being one?
Thought is usually something you should consider doing prior to posting.
Thanks.
You're quoting Keyes
Yes.
I wasn't aware Keyes was an expert on taxation.
Your awarness isn't required.
Do you have a link in your massive link file to his qualifications as being one?
I don't need one.
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