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Mom Sent To Jail For Smoking Around Kids
WRAL Raleigh ^ | August 13, 2004 | Associated Press

Posted on 08/13/2004 5:24:43 AM PDT by Hatteras

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To: Kackikat
and endangered the children with the duct tape and plastic bags she taped between front and back seat on a car trip where she couldn't see them or out of the rear view mirror.

Read closer, clear plastic garbage bags. She could see behind.

521 posted on 08/18/2004 6:05:53 AM PDT by Just another Joe (Warning: FReeping can be addictive and helpful to your mental health)
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To: CSM
Is it Friday yet?

Nope. It's not even the last Friday of the month so no Smokers' Lounge for you, buddy.

522 posted on 08/18/2004 6:08:02 AM PDT by Just another Joe (Warning: FReeping can be addictive and helpful to your mental health)
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To: Just another Joe

Dang you and your dependence on a paycheck! Have a good week and a half....


523 posted on 08/18/2004 6:16:54 AM PDT by CSM (To spread the wealth the liberal is willing, he'll take YOUR dollar and keep his shilling. -albertp)
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Dang you and your dependence on a paycheck!

If you'd care to adopt me and let me live in the style I'm not accustomed to.......

524 posted on 08/18/2004 8:22:55 AM PDT by Just another Joe (Warning: FReeping can be addictive and helpful to your mental health)
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To: Kackikat

Poke holes in the plastic, and voila, no more smoke.


525 posted on 08/18/2004 10:21:47 AM PDT by RinaseaofDs (War is the remedy our enemies have chosen. And I say let us give them all they want)
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To: Kackikat
It was a completely unfair order and an honest judge would have left it out of any custody agreement. Her husband was attempting to set her up for failure and was using the "power of government and the law" to FORCE her to quit a legal addiction.

My point, which you missed, is if she is engaging in illegal behaviors, go after her on those grounds.

526 posted on 08/18/2004 11:35:45 AM PDT by TOUGH STOUGH (Vote for anyone but Darlin' Arlen in November.....)
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Ditto. I generally agree with him. Years ago I based a college presentation mostly on the writings of he and Thomas Sowell. It was a course called "Black Relations."

The first question my fellow students asked when I had finished, was how I could be prolife? Their next statement accused me of being a racist.

I of course I reponded that Walter Williams and Thomas Sowell were black. The response to that was "well then their racist too!"

I once had the opportunity to repeat this story to Mr. Williams. He said,"That's what you get for using my material," and then laughed. We chatted for just a few minutes thereafter. This was in the middle of the night on Dom Giordano's Philly talk radio show, around the time of the Clarence Thomas hearings. The next day I went to Washington to support Thomas.

The point of that long story is to say I have been fond of Walter William's since my university days. I find him to be one of the most reasonable libertarians and it was such a thrill to have the chance to speak with him and relay that story. Talk radio can really be quite amazing and gives you the opportunity to speak with people you might otherwise not be able to.

527 posted on 08/18/2004 11:54:53 AM PDT by TOUGH STOUGH (Vote for anyone but Darlin' Arlen in November.....)
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To: TOUGH STOUGH

You, sir, are my new hero!

I heard a funny, but true, comment on one of the Talk shows yesterday. (I listen to Neal, then Rush, then Sean.) I can't remember which show the caller was on, but he said that skin color or heritage no longer defines being Black. Instead it is the political affiliation that determines if you are black. He used Clarence Thomas as an example of a person with Black skin that was not considered black and The Impeached one as a person with white skin but still considered black.

It is amazing that political ideology is now the basis for one's race!


528 posted on 08/18/2004 1:20:32 PM PDT by CSM (To spread the wealth the liberal is willing, he'll take YOUR dollar and keep his shilling. -albertp)
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To: Just another Joe

You cannot see through a clear plastic bag, put one in your car with duct tape and then write me back.


529 posted on 08/18/2004 1:39:12 PM PDT by Kackikat
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To: TOUGH STOUGH

My point is that we don't just pick and choose the court orders we obey. There was no justification for what she did IMHO...which last time I heard was still supported by first amendment freedom of speech.


530 posted on 08/18/2004 1:41:15 PM PDT by Kackikat
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You cannot see through a clear plastic bag

Your bias is showing. Better hike it up under the skirt.

531 posted on 08/18/2004 2:01:39 PM PDT by Just another Joe (Warning: FReeping can be addictive and helpful to your mental health)
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To: Just another Joe

A clear plastic bag is "doubled plastic" and looking through it is distorted, just try it.


532 posted on 08/18/2004 2:11:08 PM PDT by Kackikat
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To: Kackikat
A clear plastic bag is "doubled plastic" and looking through it is distorted, just try it.

Just a minute ago you said that you can't see through it. Now you can see through it some? So is looking through a piece of glass. Maybe just not as much.

Slit the bag and you only have "single plastic".
She was trying to comply with the court order to keep her kids away from her smoking while on a road trip. Yet you don't even take this into account. Analogous to stepping on the back porch to have a smoke while keeping an eye on the kids through the patio door.

Again, I'm not saying that she should not have been punished for breaking a court order, the court order should never have been given, IMO.

If she breaks the terms of the custody agreement you take unsupervised visits away first, then as the behaviour continues you up the stakes.
You don't get a court order. At least, IMO.

533 posted on 08/18/2004 2:21:27 PM PDT by Just another Joe (Warning: FReeping can be addictive and helpful to your mental health)
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To: CSM

It's nothing new. This happened 20 years ago.


534 posted on 08/18/2004 2:43:44 PM PDT by TOUGH STOUGH (Vote for anyone but Darlin' Arlen in November.....)
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"It is amazing that political ideology is now the basis for one's race."

Well stated. Then.....and now.

535 posted on 08/18/2004 2:50:39 PM PDT by TOUGH STOUGH (Vote for anyone but Darlin' Arlen in November.....)
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To: Just another Joe

This is a no win situation, you are entitled to your opinion, and I mine....maybe she'll be in news again with more facts on her actual attitude or behavior problem.


536 posted on 08/18/2004 6:50:32 PM PDT by Kackikat
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maybe she'll be in news again with more facts on her actual attitude or behavior problem.

Hopefully.

537 posted on 08/19/2004 5:44:52 AM PDT by Just another Joe (Warning: FReeping can be addictive and helpful to your mental health)
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