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Predicting the Nature of War in 2034
July 27, 2004
Posted on 07/27/2004 6:39:27 PM PDT by Cannoneer No. 4
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To: Cannoneer No. 4
Some thoughts on warfare in 2034.
Rail gun snipers, vehicle machine guns and tank weapons
EMP devices
Complete battlefield situational awareness extended down to the infantryman (smart helmets)
Personal Fuel air explosives for urban conflicts
Powered combat armor (special units)
Completely sealed batlefield dress
Personal reconnaisance drones
Nanotech
Personal trauma nanbots
Personal bllodstream air supply
Personal reconnaisance
Personal augmentation systems (strength, endurance)
UCAV vehicles with full air to air and air to ground capability
Orbital based kinetic kill vehicles
Autonomous hunter killer armor and low level air vehicles.
Robotic Infantry
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posted on
07/28/2004 8:51:05 AM PDT
by
Centurion2000
(Many a law, many a commandment have I broken, but my word never.)
To: gilliam
In 1996 hackers cracked sites and systems at the DOD, Justice Department, the CIA, and NASA. Correct, and I accept your premise that static systems have been hit, but has hacking ever influenced a battlefield situation on mobile networked devices ?
Perhaps that would be a better question.
Especially considering the time that hackers require against encryption, strategic and backfield systems can be successfully attacked.
I highly doubt that a networked army with changing encryption codes will be compromised in a tactical environment.
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posted on
07/28/2004 8:53:52 AM PDT
by
Centurion2000
(Many a law, many a commandment have I broken, but my word never.)
To: IGOTMINE; Arkinsaw; flashbunny; TigerLikesRooster; Sam the Sham; hchutch; mikegi; Billthedrill; ...
In use by whom? Future historical trends do not look good for the RKBA. How is a citizen's militia with their privately owned arms to make much of a dent in the Imperial Storm Trooper infantry of 2034?
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posted on
07/28/2004 9:55:34 AM PDT
by
Cannoneer No. 4
(I've lost turret power; I have my nods and my .50. Hooah. I will stay until relieved. White 2 out.)
To: IGOTMINE
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posted on
07/28/2004 10:00:44 AM PDT
by
Cannoneer No. 4
(I've lost turret power; I have my nods and my .50. Hooah. I will stay until relieved. White 2 out.)
To: Cannoneer No. 4
How is a citizen's militia with their privately owned arms to make much of a dent in the Imperial Storm Trooper infantry of 2034? Assymetrical Warfare : first use private arms to take police weapons, then hit isolated military targets.
Failing that, the best way to stop the StormTroopers will be killing politicians (after all, they hold the leash)
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posted on
07/28/2004 10:12:36 AM PDT
by
Centurion2000
(Many a law, many a commandment have I broken, but my word never.)
To: DCBryan1
Wow. That might be the first time I've seen Space Marines on a FR thread.
I was always partial to Imperial Guard, myself.
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posted on
07/28/2004 10:23:28 AM PDT
by
Modernman
("I have nothing to declare except my genius." -Oscar Wilde)
To: Centurion2000
Shush! It's 'not time', yet.
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posted on
07/28/2004 10:29:13 AM PDT
by
headsonpikes
(Spirit of '76 bttt!)
To: DreadCthulhu
hat picture just goes to show how inhuman our enemies are, forcing a cutie like that to wear all those baggy concealing cloths. ;) You know, not to go OT or anything, but the Iranian girls I've known in LA and around DC and NY are pretty much uniformly stunning.
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posted on
07/28/2004 10:32:47 AM PDT
by
Modernman
("I have nothing to declare except my genius." -Oscar Wilde)
To: Cannoneer No. 4
Well, I could make do with the rifle. For everything else, I'd have to hit a good sporting goods/camping store.
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posted on
07/28/2004 10:41:41 AM PDT
by
300winmag
(FR's Hobbit Hole supports America's troops)
To: Cannoneer No. 4
Git their support echelons. Can you imagine what sort of tail a Power Armor platoon is going to need?
As it stands, an "insurgent" is pretty stupid if he takes a shot at an M1A Abrams. But shooting the fuel truck or mechanics is a pretty good trick and almost as effective.
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posted on
07/28/2004 11:03:04 AM PDT
by
Little Ray
(John Ffing sKerry: Just a gigolo!)
To: gilliam; Poohbah
You said: "
A 'networked army' is very vulnerable to terrorists."
I asked you for specific details.
You provided a list of hackers hacking into 'government' computers. Desktop computers, websites, IBM Servers at the Pentagon are not part of a networked army.
The concept is one of networking air, land and sea units in combat so that they can share information about the battlespace with each other.
The connections back to the DoD and the actual commanders does not run through a LAN line and flow to some Dell computer running Widows XP! Haha...Geez.
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posted on
07/28/2004 1:16:03 PM PDT
by
VaBthang4
("He Who Watches Over Israel Will Neither Slumber Nor Sleep")
To: Modernman
Yep. Gotta agreed. Catherine Bell, call your answering service please! I just left you another message.
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posted on
07/28/2004 1:21:59 PM PDT
by
IGOTMINE
("By God, I pity those poor bastards we're going up against. By God I do.")
To: VaBthang4
Sorry you find it a light matter. No matter. I have limited knowledge and what little I know I can't share. Just rest assured that people in the Pentagon have thought out these issues. Still, we have thought out issues in the past and the enemy is also thinking them out. It really doesn't pay to be too cocky.
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posted on
07/28/2004 1:22:28 PM PDT
by
gilliam
To: Poohbah
I took a tour of Cyberdyne at Universal Studios, it was really 'SUPER!'
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posted on
07/28/2004 1:26:55 PM PDT
by
HitmanLV
(I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. My life is my own.)
To: Cannoneer No. 4
Hey, neat picture! Australian outfit, I presume?
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posted on
07/28/2004 1:39:38 PM PDT
by
coydog
(End Single-Party rule in Canada!)
To: Centurion2000
Complete battlefield situational awareness extended down to the infantryman (smart helmets) What happens when Mr. Terrorist gets ahold of a smart helmet from a recently KIA soldier, and suddenly knows where every good guy is hiding?
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posted on
07/28/2004 2:37:08 PM PDT
by
LexBaird
(Tyrannosaurus Lex, unapologetic carnivore)
To: Cannoneer No. 4
"an infantryman who was about nine feet tall, who could march cross-country at tank speed, for about a hundred miles, dash into battle beside the tank, carry several days to a weeks worth of food and ammunition, and be almost self-supporting in the field.
they have a different breed of bacteria in their intestines, which allows them to digest browse, like a deer, instead of needing good quality grass. Simply put, they can live and prosper where a larger horse would starve.
In order to be able to live on forage, the animal has to be raised from weaning to adulthood on rough forage."
...uhh...you called?
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posted on
07/28/2004 6:19:59 PM PDT
by
Khurkris
(Proud Scottish/HillBilly - We perfected "The Art of the Grudge")
To: steve-b
So? In a battle, they'd both get shot down easily enough. In battle, the computers reject those targets as ground clutter. In the days of smart bombs, it is smarter to not get in the cross hairs in the first place.
A funny thing about kevalar, you can't blow a hole in it with a .44 mag, but you can stick a knife right through it. So a guy with a spear wearing kevalar on a horse is of more danger to a guy in a foxhole with an M16 than visa-versa. Just re-picture the pajama parade over the hill towards ya at midnight, only this time they are on horses and are bullet proof.
Nasty.
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posted on
07/29/2004 2:55:47 AM PDT
by
American in Israel
(A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
To: LexBaird
What happens when Mr. Terrorist gets ahold of a smart helmet from a recently KIA soldier, and suddenly knows where every good guy is hiding? I would imagine that it would be fairly easy to build safeguards in to such a system so that you use biometric information to ensure that only authorized users can access the information.
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posted on
07/29/2004 6:27:37 AM PDT
by
Modernman
("I have nothing to declare except my genius." -Oscar Wilde)
To: Modernman
And I would imagine that any system can be hacked. If I were a battlefield commander, I would be highly concerned about having the position of every asset being broadcast to every other asset. It would give me great flexibility and situational awareness, but at the risk of being compromised every time a soldier, truck, or position was captured.
Countermeasures to smartsuit tech off the top of my head:
Spoof the enemy IFF transponders to disguise yourself as a friendly.
Flood the theater with false signals and jamming.
Counterfeit feeds going back to enemy HQ to give false data.
Tap into the enemy info feed and read their positions.
Blind them with an EMP to fry their smartsuit electronics.
Take out their comsats at a critical time.
Introduce a virus into their software.
Develop signal detectors that pinpoint where individual feedback signals are originating from.
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posted on
07/29/2004 7:06:33 AM PDT
by
LexBaird
(Tyrannosaurus Lex, unapologetic carnivore)
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