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Petite skull reopens human ancestry debate
New Scientist ^ | 7/1/04 | Will Knight

Posted on 07/02/2004 7:55:48 AM PDT by Michael_Michaelangelo

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To: Redcloak; HairOfTheDog
Sounds like they uncovered a Hobbitus Erectus. Very rare indeed!

ha ha!! I like it!

41 posted on 07/02/2004 2:04:30 PM PDT by 2Jedismom (Expect me when you see me!)
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To: Ol' Sparky
Geesh! Where did you paste that from? It's pretty slapdash, shoddy and error filled even by creationist standards. E.g.:

Coelacanth is supposed to be the evidence that amphibians came from fish.

No, not actually. The lobe fins are generally thought to be a sister group to the first amphibians, not necessarily in the direct line of descent. A whole series of intermediates that are MUCH closer to that line have been found, and it is essentially arbitrary where you draw the line between "fish" and "amphibian".

After all, the fins were attached to the body by thick, fleshy lobes, allowing freer rotation and possibly "feet" with which to walk, and evolutionists speculated that they were shallow water fish.

No "speculation" involved. The deposits in which ancient lobe-fins have been found clearly attest to their residence in shallow water. There is nothing inconsistent in the fact that, while most lobe-fins were shallow water species, the one isolated species that happened to survive lives only in deep water.

Indeed if the living Coelacanth were a shallow water species one could argue that this would be more problematic. Then you would have to explain why lobe-fins, which were once a very common fish represented by multiple families and many genera and species, had been reduced in their preferred environment to only one or two species, but had nevertheless persisted at that precarious level of diversity for many eons. The survival of the order in a very different environment (and one poorly represented in the fossil record) is less puzzling.

All this went uncontested until one was caught in the Indian Ocean, and it was found out that they rarely come within 500 feet of the surface.

Again, it is still uncontested that most (nearly all, I believe) fossil lobe-fins are shallow water species.

42 posted on 07/02/2004 2:04:44 PM PDT by Stultis
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To: BikerNYC

Science created the machine?


43 posted on 07/02/2004 2:04:58 PM PDT by TomEwall
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it was Alien in nature.


44 posted on 07/02/2004 2:06:04 PM PDT by Legion04
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To: Stultis
Where did you paste that from?

They've resorted to lifting from one another - see #16...

45 posted on 07/02/2004 2:39:11 PM PDT by general_re (Drive offensively - the life you save may be your own.)
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To: Dimensio

Those in the know understand that bats are bugs.


Scene: Classroom

Ms. Wormwood: All right, class, who would like to give his report first?
Calvin: I WOULD! I WOULD!
Ms. Wormwood: Why, Calvin, what a surprise to see you volunteer! You must have done a good job. Go to the front of the class!
Calvin: Oh boy!
Ms. Wormwood: Now let's all pay attention, Go ahead, Calvin.
Calvin: Thank you. Before I begin, I'd like everyone to notice that my report is in a professional, clear plastic binder.
Ms. Wormwood: That's very nice, Go ahead.
Calvin: When a report looks this good, you know it'll get an "A." That's a tip, kids, write it down.

Scene: Classroom, Calvin giving report
Calvin: My report is on bats. Ahem... "Dusk! With a creepy, tingly sensation, you hear the fluttering of leathery wings! Bats! With glowing red eyes and glistening fangs, these unspeakably giant bugs drop onto..."


46 posted on 07/02/2004 2:42:01 PM PDT by TomEwall
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To: Dimensio

If humans evolved from apes ... why didn't the apes evolve ?

This is a joke, right? You're not really so ignorant as to ask this stupid question, are you

Yes, as a matter of fact I guess I am that stupid ...enlighten me O Learned One ...


47 posted on 07/02/2004 2:44:40 PM PDT by sawmill trash (NADER !!! NADER !!! NADER !!! NADER !!! NADER !!! NADER !!! NADER !!! NADER !!!)
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To: sawmill trash
Okay. First, humans didn't "evolve from apes". Humans and apes share a common ancestor.

Secondly, there is nothing in the theory of evolution that states that once a new species diverges from an existing species, the older species must die off.
48 posted on 07/02/2004 3:52:46 PM PDT by Dimensio (Join the Monthly Internet Flash Mob: http://tinyurl.com/3xj9m)
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To: PatrickHenry; Michael_Michaelangelo
Third article on this we've seen. This one is the Mikey Mike spin-it-for-cretinism attempt. But it doesn't spin. There may or may not have been a small variant subspecies of H. erectus. Not much stands or falls thereby.
49 posted on 07/02/2004 3:57:08 PM PDT by VadeRetro
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To: VadeRetro
Third article on this we've seen.

Yes, but this one drew so many creationists (as opposed to Hobbit fans) that I thought it sufficiently amusing to warrant a ping to the gang. I'm very inconsistent in the use of the ping list. (That's part of my charm.)

50 posted on 07/02/2004 4:49:12 PM PDT by PatrickHenry (Felix, qui potuit rerum cognoscere causas.)
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To: sheltonmac
With this kind of constant, drastic "evolution" of theory you have to admire those who continue to place all of their faith in science.

Those of us in science know that we NEVER have all the answers. We also tend to avoid coming right out and saying something without adding qualifiers. For instance, I might say "The resultant increase in reporter activity COULD result from reason X; an ALTERNATIVE explanation is that..."

My first published paper contradicted the results of a fairly prominent scientist in my field. In fact, scientists contradict each other all the time.

Faith isn't a topic that comes up a lot in scientific circles. Unless, of course, it is the scientist praying, "Please, God, let this experiment work."

51 posted on 07/02/2004 6:17:50 PM PDT by exDemMom (Think like a liberal? Oxymoron!)
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To: exDemMom
For instance, I might say "The resultant increase in reporter activity COULD result from reason X; an ALTERNATIVE explanation is that..."

And of course the naysayers count all the "maybe" and "could have" qualifiers and try to infer that science knows nothing. We are then expected to believe that since science knows nothing, it can't rule out even the most patent nonsense.

52 posted on 07/02/2004 6:31:15 PM PDT by VadeRetro
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To: Dimensio

Well thats real good ...for you
I think your "theory" is empty


53 posted on 07/02/2004 7:56:25 PM PDT by sawmill trash (NADER !!! NADER !!! NADER !!! NADER !!! NADER !!! NADER !!! NADER !!! NADER !!!)
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To: Dimensio

"What, exactly, has falsified evolution theory here?"

Humans NEVER evolved from animals. To suggest they never walked on two feet is contradictory but hey, believe whatever you wish.

There is nothing true about evolution and never will be.


54 posted on 07/02/2004 8:04:27 PM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: Ichneumon

LOL!

Too bad the premise of an evolutionist is that God doesn't exist and if He does He is too stupid to create humans and all we see.

Someday when you're feeling more rational, a revelation may come to you too! Evolutionists insist on using their finite yardstick of questionable "knowledge" to explain through theories how humans "evolved". Never mind that these "theories" are evolving all the time and contradict eachother. That doesn't phase you at all. It amuses me since my blinders are off and evolution is not my "religion" and I have no "faith" in it as you do.

It takes more "faith" to believe in evolution than creation since when evidence is objectively examined it supports creation.


55 posted on 07/02/2004 8:09:15 PM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: Ichneumon

Believe whatever you wish. Believe pigs fly too! It's clear to me that you don't know what you are talking about.

Forget evidence, objectively evaluated that contradicts your beliefs. Live in a godless imaginary world.


56 posted on 07/02/2004 8:15:39 PM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: dangus
Psst ... speaking of evolutionary "dating methods" they to leave alot to be desired. They are not accurate.

As for the skull it certainly could be a child. It could be a midget! But no, the obvious is eliminated because it doesn't fit your predetermined conclusion of humans evolving from animals.

Evolutionists could always consider making their living as stand up comics.
57 posted on 07/02/2004 8:22:45 PM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: nmh
There is nothing true about evolution and never will be.

Asserting this over and over again will not make it true.
58 posted on 07/02/2004 8:38:04 PM PDT by Dimensio (Join the Monthly Internet Flash Mob: http://tinyurl.com/3xj9m)
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To: sawmill trash
I think your "theory" is empty

Why?
59 posted on 07/02/2004 8:38:19 PM PDT by Dimensio (Join the Monthly Internet Flash Mob: http://tinyurl.com/3xj9m)
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To: nmh
Psst ... speaking of evolutionary "dating methods" they to leave alot to be desired. They are not accurate.

I'm sure that you can explain exactly what is wrong with current dating methods.

As for the skull it certainly could be a child. It could be a midget! But no, the obvious is eliminated because it doesn't fit your predetermined conclusion of humans evolving from animals.

So, despite the fact that it is very clear to determine whether a homind skull is from an adult or a juvenile, you dismiss the explanation because it doesn't fit with your claim that all of the evidence is shaky. Of course. Even when you're wrong, you just ignore the evidence and assert that you're right.
60 posted on 07/02/2004 8:39:30 PM PDT by Dimensio (Join the Monthly Internet Flash Mob: http://tinyurl.com/3xj9m)
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