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Bill Buckley, you and I know the war was a mistake
The Hill ^ | June 28, 04 | Josh Marshall

Posted on 06/29/2004 7:00:20 PM PDT by churchillbuff

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To: churchillbuff

No - what we don't believe in is lies. Provable lies that you keep spreading.

Last month you kept repeating that no one in Congress of the administration had kids in Iraq or Afghanistan.

You were given a list of names - repeatedly.

Now you are saying that we were told it was a cakewalk.

When Rumsfeld denied to Tim Russert that he said that or anyone in the administration said that, no one in the press could find ONE SINGLE administration official who said it would be easy or a cakewalk. Not one.

Yet you keep repeating the same lies.


761 posted on 06/30/2004 3:47:55 PM PDT by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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To: churchillbuff
The difference between me and you is, like Buckley, I recognize that 9-11 didn't make the invasion of Iraq a necessity, because Iraq wasn't behind 9-11

I guess you and michael moore are really angry that saddam can't provide $25,000 to every homicide bombers family for killing innocent Israeli's anymore.

JMO, it must really suck to be you.

762 posted on 06/30/2004 3:48:00 PM PDT by Dane
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To: churchillbuff

No but conservatives who keep repeating DNC spin and lies are not conservatives. YOu keep repeating their lies and expecting us to believe them!!!


763 posted on 06/30/2004 3:48:42 PM PDT by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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To: Peach
The guy's a plant. A DNC plant.......


Churchillbuff. The most disgusting poster I've seen. Thanks for making your efforts to refute his hysterical lies

So he thinks the war was a mistake? A man's gotta know when to keep his mouth shut. Something "buff" is oblivious too. The decent thing is for him to shut up, this would be how he could best support a tough war in Iraq.
764 posted on 06/30/2004 3:49:47 PM PDT by dennisw (http://www.prophetofdoom.net/)
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To: churchillbuff

Iraq wasn't behind 9/11? Hah. YOu haven't heard the new president of Iraq say he thinks he was? You haven't heard the documents that have been found that show he probably was? You didn't know this was a war on terrorism and Iraq supported Al Qaeda for years?

Even the Clinton adminsitration got an indictment in federal court against OBL which cited SPECIFICALLY OBL's connections to Iraq. Back in 1998.

Not supporting the war is one thing. But repeatedly lying is another and you have been spouting DNC lies for months now.


765 posted on 06/30/2004 3:50:56 PM PDT by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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To: dennisw
We did the invasion so smart there were only a couple hundred casualties instead of thousands. If there had been thousands, then the hundreds that died in the year aftermath would have not seemed so bad by comparison.

Still my fears for catastrophes before the war have so far been much, much less for the invasion itself, and about what I expected for the aftermath.

What I didn't expect, and will forever do now, is something my husband warned me about right after 9/11.

He thought it'd take the Dems only a month or two to get their footing and start attacking America and backing our enemies again. Actually it only took a couple weeks.

From now on I know the enemy at home is even more craven than I thought. And that most people haven't a clue what it means to SUPPORT the troops, rather than backstabbing their sacrifices.

With Bill Clinton I learned that "You can fool some of the people all of the time, and you wouldn't believe how many people that is!", but this latest lesson is even more heart-breaking.

766 posted on 06/30/2004 3:51:49 PM PDT by patriciaruth (They are all Mike Spanns)
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To: churchillbuff
You should exercise your freedom of speech more, and send al-qaida the blueprint of the Hoover Dam and the Golden Gate bridge.

Don't just talk. Be really useful.

767 posted on 06/30/2004 3:54:09 PM PDT by patriciaruth (They are all Mike Spanns)
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To: dennisw; churchillbuff; bad company; All

Thank you, dennis.

For those who have not seen this list, these are lists of articles which mention that Iraq supported AQ and worked with them for years.

Many people believe that Iraq was behind 9/11, and with good reason.

Recently, the 9/11 Commission Chairmen said that recent information they have received leads them to believe that as well.

A high ranking member of Saddam's Fedayeen military was at AT LEAST ONE pre-planning 9/11 meeting.

Less than two months before 9/11/01, the state-controlled Iraqi newspaper “Al-Nasiriya” carried a column headlined, “American, an Obsession called Osama Bin Ladin.” (July 21, 2001)

In the piece, Baath Party writer Naeem Abd Muhalhal predicted that bin Laden would attack the US “with the seriousness of the Bedouin of the desert about the way he will try to bomb the Pentagon after he destroys the White House.”

The same state-approved column also insisted that bin Laden “will strike America on the arm that is already hurting,” and that the US “will curse the memory of Frank Sinatra every time he hears his songs” – an apparent reference to the Sinatra classic, “New York, New York”.

Links between Saddam and OBL:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1127451/posts


768 posted on 06/30/2004 3:54:32 PM PDT by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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To: patriciaruth
He thought it'd take the Dems only a month or two to get their footing and start attacking America and backing our enemies again. Actually it only took a couple weeks.

It's as though they had to wait for the national anthem to finish before they could bend down to pick up more rocks to throw.

769 posted on 06/30/2004 3:54:50 PM PDT by Petronski (Fairness is fiction.)
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To: churchillbuff

Iraq and 9/11 linked? 9/11 Commission says yes.

Read it and weep.

http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1163310/posts


770 posted on 06/30/2004 3:57:54 PM PDT by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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To: Petronski

What was the date of Hillary storming onto the Senate floor waving the NY Times, "BUSH KNEW!"??


771 posted on 06/30/2004 3:58:43 PM PDT by patriciaruth (They are all Mike Spanns)
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To: churchillbuff

Another very good example of the fact that while old age may not arrive accompanied by wisdom-Stupidity is partial to no age group.

Buckley has always appeared to be a pompous ass RINO to me.


772 posted on 06/30/2004 4:00:01 PM PDT by F.J. Mitchell (Kerry seems promising-promising this, promising that-promising you and I will pay for it.)
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To: churchillbuff
Why don't you just shut your pie hole for the duration?

Interesting how some folks who insist we had to spend young Americans' blood to liberate Iraq don't believe in freedom of speech at home

Tell your wife to duct tape your big fat mouth for the duration of this war. You negativism is unmanly and disgusting. It's supremely disrespectful of our troops in harm's way.

You think we should never should have invaded Iraq. Fine!
Now your job is to sit down and shut up while others do the hard work of winning this war. And while others support them, those who are involved in this tough job

If you are really a conservative then shut up for the war's duration and stop spreading demoralization and defeatism. You are way too self indulgent. Show some self discipline and be quiet.

 

773 posted on 06/30/2004 4:02:30 PM PDT by dennisw (http://www.prophetofdoom.net/)
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To: dennisw

It's one thing for a conservative to oppose the war. It's another for someone like the person we are discussing to spread lies, which he does continuously.

I'm going to track his posts for a while and make sure the lurkers know the TRUTH vs. his DNC spin.


774 posted on 06/30/2004 4:06:23 PM PDT by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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To: Don Corleone; churchillbuff
DC: So, I suppose, was taking down the NAZI's and ending their reign of terror over Europe and the Jews.

c: Totally WRONG!!!! From Dec. 7 1941 on, there was NEVER a poll that showed Americans thought our involvement in WWII was a mistake. Never.

And from Dec. 7, 1941 on, there was NEVER a press campaign to destabilize the U.S. government, and cause us to lose the war.

P.S. Was there really ever a poll on the war, back then? Ever? Please provide links.

775 posted on 06/30/2004 4:07:21 PM PDT by mrustow ("And when Moses saw the golden calf, he shouted out to the heavens, 'Jesus, Mary, and Joseph!'")
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To: churchillbuff
I'm posting this because those freepers who call me some kind of traitor for opposing the invasion of Iraq are now going to have to add Buckley (along with Tom Clancy and a number of military brass) to the list.

Bill Who?

776 posted on 06/30/2004 4:08:10 PM PDT by mrustow ("And when Moses saw the golden calf, he shouted out to the heavens, 'Jesus, Mary, and Joseph!'")
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To: churchillbuff
We invaded a lot of islands during WWII that had not participated in the Pearl Harbor attack and they didn’t have WMD programs but, the enemy was there.

We invaded some north African countries during WWII that had not attacked us and they did not have WMD programs but, the enemy was there.

I seem to recall our troops fighting a good sized battle with terrorist in a camp in northeastern Iraq just last year. I believe that it is safe to say that the enemy was and is still in Iraq.

777 posted on 06/30/2004 4:11:25 PM PDT by al_possum39
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To: dennisw
Why don't you just shut your pie hole for the duration?

Because if people who dissent are quiet, the fools who got us in this mess can keep us -- and our troops - - in it longer than is needed for a decent orderly extrication.

778 posted on 06/30/2004 4:12:02 PM PDT by churchillbuff
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To: churchillbuff
Here's my take: Buckley is for China's having MFN status, too, which I disagree with. Everybody has their opinions.

IMO, the war was a good thing. One less despot, one less country to worry about with regard to WMD/terrorism (hopefully), and we have another pied-a-terre on the left side of Iran, the real threat (and just to the right of Wahabbi land). Nice work!

If we hadn't moved on Iraq, we would be in a much more vulnerable position than we are now, because the Arab and/or Muslim world would view us as appeasing weaklings, a paper tiger.

Now, if the Iraqis are smart, they will realize that they have just been set up to become one of the richest nations of the world, a la S. Korea, Japan, Germany, etc.

779 posted on 06/30/2004 4:12:45 PM PDT by Dec31,1999
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To: churchillbuff

Would you like to contribute toward a care package going to our troops in Afghanistan?


780 posted on 06/30/2004 4:14:42 PM PDT by patriciaruth (They are all Mike Spanns)
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