Posted on 06/17/2004 2:57:13 PM PDT by primeval patriot
I'll ask it again, one more time... who is saying it's ok to abuse anyone?
If you read the article Fox is calling mere enforcement of US immigration laws an abuse of their human rights. It is not and his agenda is obvious, to intimidate this government into backing down and doing nothing with respect to the millions who have crashed our gates. I don't care if employers are hiring them, that's not an excuse and it's time many of them were locked up for violating the law. They've been given a free pass long enough as well.
I noted you whistled right past this part of the article, and only commented on the "human rights" aspect. Similar tactics are routinely used by extreme leftist, and communist, in places like Berkeley.
LOL! I'm just getting started.
You either didn't read the article, or you are just a leftist that's lost in cyberspace.
I READ the article and I READ the posts in response to it.
I don't think one has to be a "leftist" to disagree with abusing people's human right just because they happened to enter this country illegally.
I just want to hear why people think this is OK.
Unfortunately I don't think I can depend on you to articulate a coherant argument on this issue...but perhaps you can surprise me?
I have heard about people crossing and getting arrested in Mexico buying medicines. Although, I haven't heard of it in a long time. This is just another form of kidnapping or blackmail by the Mexican thugs. National news will never carry a story like this.
And, if you mean by 'mainstream Republican', someone who will turn a blind eye to the danger of unchecked, illegal immigration, you're right, that's not me. I may be from Az., but Senator McCain is Republican in name only - and a blight on the GOP.
If a white or black American ignores Mexico's rules for immigrating to Mexico or visiting that country --- decides not to get a passport of apply for a tourist card as required by the Mexican government, does that American have the right to stay? If the Mexican government deports that American has it violated his rights? If the American is politely driven to the border to a border town and allowed to walk over the bridge back in to the USA, has that American been tortured or abused?
See 242.
You might be right. I was responding primarily to the title of the article.
Though some of the points made about giving fair benefits to those who are contributing members of society even if they entered illegally, is not unreasonable and does not hurt us as a nation IMHO.
I know exactly where I'm at and exactly what I believe. Which is very unfortunate for you Joey, I know.
I also know you would prefer me to leave rather than having to respond to my challenges to your posts. That's understandable.
Cheers.....
I cannot believe the audacity of this man. Dubya needs to put him in his place and pronto.
I won't waste *my* time either.....
Won't happen....
Here's a real interesting article in today's paper --- http://www.diario.com.mx/nota.asp?notaid=0c3690a6bca4bd6bc3dabb0b5b956059
(if you speak Spanish)
Reclaman sectores a Fox por seguridad
“Estamos metidos en una penitenciaria, todas tienen rejas, en algunas partes se siente ya la inquietud, en los restaurantes o en los sitios públicos hay una especie de psicología del terror de que pueda venirse una ráfaga o balearse de un automóvil a otro”, declaró. (and they aren't talking about illegals in the USA but citizens of Mexico --- living in a climate of terror)
This could only happen if all the corrupt politicians in Mexico were to receive a kickback from these businessmen. Mexico is rotten to the core and it's hard to believe at times that we have such a basketcase for a neighbor.
I noted you whistled right past this part of the article, and only commented on the "human rights" aspect. Similar tactics are routinely used by extreme leftist, and communist, in places like Berkeley.
Right. The only "tactics" we see here are yours describing anybody who dares disagree with you as "extreme leftist" or "Berkeley", "communist".
I am in fact one of the most right wing conservatives you will ever meet. I think we should seal our boarders and stop ALL illegal immigration.
BUT I am not for abusing, taking advantage of, or violating the human rights of ANYBODY, just because they entered this country illegally.
Always been like that. The difference is before the 60s and 70s, and 80s our leaders would have *never* put up with this. Can you imagine American's putting up with millions pouring into our country creating this epic chaos in the 1950s?
Can you imagine in 1940, a corrupt leader of Mexico making the statements and threats, like this one did today?
Another interesting article in today's paper (or periodico if you prefer) ---
http://www.diario.com.mx/nota.asp?notaid=08a776e64f001be8daca9040df57f5b5
La embajadora de España en México, María Cristina Barrios y Almazor espera ser recibida por el jefe de Gobierno del Distrito Federal, Andrés Manuel López Obrador, para manifestarle su preocupación por el aumento en casos de secuestros contra integrantes de la comunidad española. (The ambassador from Spain in Mexico --- talking about the kidnappings of Spanish citizens in Mexico).
The problem with Vicente Fox is he is nothing but a corrupt buffoon --- he's not going to fix Mexico, that's the furthest thing on his mind.
No, I don't mean that.
I wish we could shut the borders to ALL illegal immigration.
But I know that MOST illegals come here just to improve their lives and I cannot see mistreating them and violating their human rights.
I agree. But with millions of illegals here already, it's not practical to deport them all. We couldn't afford it. And many American employers would lose big $$$ if we did.
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