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'Widow maker' Lav3 in army budget blowout
National Business Review ^
| June 10, 2004
| Nick Bryant
Posted on 06/10/2004 4:45:00 PM PDT by Vetvoice
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41
posted on
06/10/2004 7:17:55 PM PDT
by
Cannoneer No. 4
(I've lost turret power; I have my nods and my .50. Hooah. I will stay until relieved. White 2 out.)
To: M1Tanker
42
posted on
06/10/2004 7:24:44 PM PDT
by
Cannoneer No. 4
(I've lost turret power; I have my nods and my .50. Hooah. I will stay until relieved. White 2 out.)
To: EternalVigilance; Steel Wolf
The 101st ABN was not impressed. Lots of streets in Mosul Strykers can't get down.
43
posted on
06/10/2004 7:28:53 PM PDT
by
Cannoneer No. 4
(I've lost turret power; I have my nods and my .50. Hooah. I will stay until relieved. White 2 out.)
To: Cannoneer No. 4
You do a great job when you stick to facts. When you start dishing up unsubstaniated rumors, one begins to wonder when you will be fitted for your tin-foil hat.
Have you actually talked to a live soldier, NCO, or officer from a Stryker unit? I have. Many, including a number who are currently in combat. I have also talked to the technical folks who have examined in great detail each combat engagment resulting in damage to a Stryker vehicle. Their accounts bear no resemblence to the so called rumors that you report. And, the article you posted is a blatant hit piece without the slighest connection to reality.
44
posted on
06/10/2004 7:31:52 PM PDT
by
centurion316
(Infantry, Queen of Battle)
To: Cannoneer No. 4; VaBthang4
Rumor has it that there has been more than one combat refusal to go out the gate in the Stryker."Rumor has it" that Bush was behind 9/11, too.
Rumors are free, and often worth every penny.
45
posted on
06/10/2004 7:31:58 PM PDT
by
Poohbah
("Mister Gorbachev, TEAR DOWN THIS WALL!" -- President Ronald Reagan, Berlin, 1987)
To: Cannoneer No. 4
Ridden in the back a few time at NTC and Lewis. Not a bad ride, all in all. The drivers seem to love it (power-steering and automatic).
No a/c, however. (bummer)
46
posted on
06/10/2004 7:33:22 PM PDT
by
Jonah Hex
(Go with God, President Reagan)
To: Cannoneer No. 4
The only biggy complaint I have read concerning combat in Afganistan..was the ident of CAS.
Jets arrrived to late to the contacts time evolution.
Bad guys slinked off.
When A-10's where tasked...many happy returns allround.
Tracks,Lav-III's..Strykers.
Bodge them together...they can get it done..and use each other to get out of trouble.
Having CAS..reliable ..call now/watch CAS,
Thats the key to these light movers being strategic.
To: Poohbah; centurion316
My source for that rumor was pinged to this thread. It is a rumor, and identified as such. Time will tell if it's BS or not.
48
posted on
06/10/2004 7:48:53 PM PDT
by
Cannoneer No. 4
(I've lost turret power; I have my nods and my .50. Hooah. I will stay until relieved. White 2 out.)
To: centurion316
And, the article you posted is a blatant hit piece without the slighest connection to reality.Which article would that be?
49
posted on
06/10/2004 7:50:33 PM PDT
by
Cannoneer No. 4
(I've lost turret power; I have my nods and my .50. Hooah. I will stay until relieved. White 2 out.)
To: centurion316
Ping me to an account of how the Remote Weapons System / .50 cal successfully engaged and destroyed an RPG gunner from a moving Stryker.
50
posted on
06/10/2004 7:56:20 PM PDT
by
Cannoneer No. 4
(I've lost turret power; I have my nods and my .50. Hooah. I will stay until relieved. White 2 out.)
To: VaBthang4
If the Stryker is so great, why did the Army stick it up in the relatively peaceful north? Why is it the only pictures of the Stryker off of paved roads usually show them stuck?
51
posted on
06/10/2004 8:28:26 PM PDT
by
Tailback
To: VaBthang4
From what I understand, the Stryker has like all weapon systems fielded, had to have some small kinks worked out. The Soldiers had to get used to employing it properly and get a feel for what it can and cannot do. That's funny, I don't recall ever reading about soldiers trying to work the "kinks" out of the M1 Abrams.
52
posted on
06/10/2004 8:32:15 PM PDT
by
Tailback
To: Jonah Hex
Just try to stay out of deep sand and mud.
So in other words it's useless as a combat vehicle? Maybe you need to read up on why the Russian T-34 was so successful in the snow and mud compared to the German Tiger.
53
posted on
06/10/2004 8:35:45 PM PDT
by
Tailback
To: Cannoneer No. 4
"Rumor has it that there has been more than one combat refusal to go out the gate in the Stryker."
I've heard that too. In various forms with the most common being, "I would rather walk than get cooked in the back of a Stryker."
54
posted on
06/10/2004 8:38:31 PM PDT
by
B4Ranch
( GET READY!!...........http://www.ready.gov/get_a_kit.html)
To: Tailback
"
I don't recall ever reading about soldiers trying to work the "kinks" out of the M1 Abrams."
You're correct. Forgive me. The Abrams had a seemless transition from the drawing board to the battlefield. Thanks alot for the blinding input. :o)
55
posted on
06/10/2004 9:03:43 PM PDT
by
VaBthang4
("He who watches over Israel will neither slumber nor sleep")
To: VaBthang4
Maybe you'd like to enlighten us with some of your knowledge? Other than problems with the air filters in the first gulf war I'm not aware of any serious problems with the Abrams after it was put into production. Maybe the Stryker shouldn't have been put into full production until the "kinks" had been worked out? Of course, when a new administration and secretary of defense are breathing down your neck, congress is demanding side by side testing versus the MTVL, and GDLS is offering millions in stock options, things do tend to get approved quickly. BTW since you seem to be so well informed, has GDLS ever fixed that unfortunate recoil problem with the MGS Stryker? I'm sure a couple of tens of millions more dollars will have it nearly up to the level of the M8 in no time.
56
posted on
06/10/2004 9:25:36 PM PDT
by
Tailback
To: Tailback
57
posted on
06/10/2004 9:26:20 PM PDT
by
Cannoneer No. 4
(I've lost turret power; I have my nods and my .50. Hooah. I will stay until relieved. White 2 out.)
To: Cannoneer No. 4
....Lav3s getting stuck in the mud during training in Waiouru, then ironically being towed out by the M113 armoured personnel carriers....Wherer the rubber meets the road.
58
posted on
06/10/2004 9:44:55 PM PDT
by
Travis McGee
(----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
To: VaBthang4
I have read the posted article, the original article, and previous articles by Lonnie Shoultz, He obviously is against the LAV/Stryker and is not being objective, in addition a lot of the points he raised I suspect are taken out of context or false. In essence I believe the article to be bollocks.
59
posted on
06/10/2004 10:32:18 PM PDT
by
KiaKaha
To: Cannoneer No. 4
There are no LAV III's in US service>>>>>>>>>>>>
But the Stryker burns equally well. U.S. has not committed the Stryker to areas of heavy combat.
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