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Posted on 05/21/2004 10:42:47 AM PDT by Truth666
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To: Truth666
This wonder of the world would be immediately destroyed, if the ocean temperature would drop just one degree Celsius. The reefs could easily have died, but their skeletal remains would persist, and then be re-established later from coral larvae drifting in from the north.
If the temperature would drop 5°C both endemic unmistakable palms
5 degress celsius is a pretty big drop for a small island in the middle of a moderating ocean at about 32 degrees south.
Nice attempt at a strawman, however.
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posted on
05/21/2004 11:26:13 AM PDT
by
dirtboy
(John Kerry - Hillary without the fat ankles and the FBI files...)
To: Dinsdale
[Creationists] are just intellectually dishonest.I have solid empirical evidence that most evolutionists and creationists have the intellect to conclude that such "broad brush" statements are intellectually dishonest. Others don't have the intellect, or at least don't use it.
Many come to these threads because there are those who actually discuss these issues. I know I am frustrated by having to filter posts from those who would rather defend their ego than learn. Let's all do a better job of restraint (or absence) and bump up the odds of a good discussion.
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posted on
05/21/2004 11:31:55 AM PDT
by
70times7
(An open mind is a cesspool of thought)
To: Truth666
the most recent ice age, the Pleistocene Epoch, lasted from about 1.6 million years to 10,000 years before present... I disagree that the the ice age ended 10,000 years ago. During the last 1.6 million years there have been many periods (interglacial) where the ice retreated. Many were warmer than the current interglacial.
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posted on
05/21/2004 11:34:23 AM PDT
by
Mike Darancette
(I'm for the underdog; Bush '04)
To: Cobra Scott
Glad aout your comment. I was hoping that there would be a palm and climate expert to contradict this.
In fact using the climate data for Lord Howe station, located at sea level, they could still manage a 5°C colder climate.
The problem is that howeas can't survive on their own at the small strip of Lord Howe stretching at sea level. They don't tolerate full sun until they are adult. Their habitat is the very special rainforest on the slopes of Mt. Lidgbird and Mt. Gower (in the picture, as most of the time, under the clouds), 500 m above sea level.
And if you it is still possible to debate if there 5°C cooler temperatures would mean extinction, you should not have any doubts that a change in the rain pattern would!
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posted on
05/21/2004 11:38:37 AM PDT
by
Truth666
To: Truth666
Its existance is only possible due to particular climate conditions that affect an area of the world where no other land rises even remotely near sea level.Yeah, right in the middle of a warm current. And it's so unique - I mean, we don't have any other examples of an area at higher latitudes being warmed by an ocean current. Other than Europe. Oh, yeah, and we can't forget Bermuda - and gee, Bermuda has coral reefs also.
So much for the uniqueness part of your statement.
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posted on
05/21/2004 11:38:46 AM PDT
by
dirtboy
(John Kerry - Hillary without the fat ankles and the FBI files...)
To: RightWhale
Any idea what a mechanism linking earth's magnetism and climate might be?
I am not a climatologist (or whaever its called) but for a very simple illustration of the relationship of magnetism and climate....
You have seen those little devices that can stir liquids without any mechanical content? Set a beaker down and it amazingly begins to rotate into the familiar vortex form?
That is rotating magnetism at work. on a very very minuscle scale. Take the magnetic energies of our liquid metallic core (causing ocean currents and affecting air currents) - if the core fields shift, then all it affects shifts with it. The Humbolt current (of Kon Tiki fame) runs down the coast of South America all the way through the South Pacific and it's patter affects our west coast in the form of El Nino and La Nina (never could make a tilde)
Imagine the Humbolt current shifting north...North of it would become warmer - south, cooler. Like I said - simplified example. Peru could become a tropical paradise instead of the desert it is now if the current shifted south. Add to that all the other major ocean currents that are more responsible for climate than anything. The western pacific currdnts change and India would become fruitful instead of a combination of barren deserts and flooded plains. Shift that current the other direction and we would have our mid east desert a ways further to the east and Baghdad a Med paradise ?
All because the magnetic fields shifted one way or another.
I have NEVER seen a study of the effects of the polar reversal though - probably near to catastrophic for the urban populations.
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posted on
05/21/2004 11:39:04 AM PDT
by
steplock
(http://www.gohotsprings.com)
To: RightWhale
The poles reverse polarity about every 25,000 years. I believe the earth's magnetic field blocks some of the sun's rays. If this is true, there would probably be a point halfway through the polarity shift that would have reduced protection. Just speculation, no flames please.
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posted on
05/21/2004 11:39:10 AM PDT
by
BubbaBasher
(If there is value in diversity, then it must be in opinion, not skin color.)
To: Truth666
Whilst Lord Howe is located in cooler waters at latitude 31 south, it has a remarkable mix of tropical as well as temperate marine life. The larvae of tropical species, including corals, are swept south by the warm East Australia Current which flows past the Great Barrier Reef in Queensland before swirling out into the north Tasman seaWell, there goes your coral theory.
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posted on
05/21/2004 11:42:52 AM PDT
by
dirtboy
(John Kerry - Hillary without the fat ankles and the FBI files...)
To: steplock
Good explanation. I should have waited a few minutes. ;-)
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posted on
05/21/2004 11:42:56 AM PDT
by
BubbaBasher
(If there is value in diversity, then it must be in opinion, not skin color.)
To: 70times7
Many come to these threads because there are those who actually discuss these issues. Just not the author of this article.
To make the claim that one or the other theory is false is intellectually dishonest. The first step in arguing against a false permise is to identify the false premise.
I've seen far to many unsupported gradious claims from the bible thumpers to give them the pass you do, but I will revise my statement in light of your criticism.
Many creationists (at least a large plurality, including the author of this article) are intellectually dishonest
Better?
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posted on
05/21/2004 11:44:31 AM PDT
by
Dinsdale
To: KeyWest
That is plenty of time to establish a coral reef and fauna . 10,000 years is plenty of time for the fauna. 500 years is plenty of time. Krakatoa (sp?) was rendered virtually lifeless by the volcanic explosion there. It is completely restored now.
To: Dinsdale
I rest my case. Thanks for the additional help.
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posted on
05/21/2004 11:47:34 AM PDT
by
70times7
(An open mind is a cesspool of thought)
To: Truth666
The problem is that howeas can't survive on their own at the small strip of Lord Howe stretching at sea level. They don't tolerate full sun until they are adult. Their habitat is the very special rainforest on the slopes of Mt. Lidgbird and Mt. Gower (in the picture, as most of the time, under the clouds), 500 m above sea level. Really? A website on Lord Howe Island begs to differ:
http://www.lordhoweisland.info/environ/article1.html
These include four species of palm, the best known being Howea forsteriana, which forms dense lowland forests in some areas.So now both your palm and your coral theories are toast. Oh, well, back to the drawing board. Maybe you can play the Mississippi River gambit next time.
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posted on
05/21/2004 11:49:32 AM PDT
by
dirtboy
(John Kerry - Hillary without the fat ankles and the FBI files...)
To: steplock
The magnetic stirrers I have seen have a plate containing the driver magnet and an encapsulated magnet that is placed in the liquid. A changing magnetic field might cause some effect in water. After all, microwave ovens can heat water. But the changes in the earth's mag field are so slow that the wavength of the photons would be lightyears. Such long wavelengths would not measurably interact with anything so small as the earth's oceans.
I like the other possibility, that earth's atmosphere generates earth's mag field, although it might be that the mag field is induced by ocean currents. The question is whether liquid phase water is better at inducing mag fields than is gas phase water.
This suggestion is necessary but not sufficient evidence that I am a crackpot scientist.
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posted on
05/21/2004 11:51:05 AM PDT
by
RightWhale
(Destroy the dark; restore the light)
To: Saturnalia
Ah, but what kind of swallow?...
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posted on
05/21/2004 11:51:11 AM PDT
by
GEC
To: Truth666
The last time I saw something this stupid posted, it was in
blue.poor liars, that are not even able to spread consistent lies.
Go to school. Read a book other than the Bible. Get a life.
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posted on
05/21/2004 11:52:54 AM PDT
by
balrog666
(So many idiots, so few comets...)
To: BubbaBasher
I believe the earth's magnetic field blocks some of the sun's rays. According to RightWhale's postulate of global magnetism, this may be close to the description of the actual mechanism of change.
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posted on
05/21/2004 11:53:04 AM PDT
by
RightWhale
(Destroy the dark; restore the light)
To: KeyWest
the last ice age was about 130,000 years ago The last Ice Age ended abruptly, more or less since it is still ending, about 12,000 years ago.
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posted on
05/21/2004 11:56:09 AM PDT
by
RightWhale
(Destroy the dark; restore the light)
To: Truth666
Their habitat is the very special rainforest on the slopes of Mt. Lidgbird and Mt. Gower (in the picture, as most of the time, under the clouds), 500 m above sea level. Hmmm - Mt. Gower is 900 m high. Here's a picture:
![](http://volcano.und.nodak.edu/vwdocs/volc_images/australia/balls_pyramid/Howe5.jpg)
Looks like the top 400 meters are almost vertical. Yet this is the "rain forest" you are talking about?
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posted on
05/21/2004 11:57:58 AM PDT
by
dirtboy
(John Kerry - Hillary without the fat ankles and the FBI files...)
To: GEC
Ah, but what kind of swallow?...
An African swallow, of course. It would need to grab the coconut by the husk, thus negating any question of weight ratios between them.
However, that does not prove whether or not it is a witch.
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posted on
05/21/2004 11:58:03 AM PDT
by
Thoro
(Those who forget history are doomed to vote democrat.)
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