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Dad Sues Over School Lunch Seating Restriction
WNBC Television ^ | 5/20/2004 | Puppage

Posted on 05/20/2004 10:50:06 AM PDT by Puppage

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To: Skooz
Sitting in an assigned seat is hardly "punishment." It is an efficient and reasonable attempt to impose discipline.

Suppose you have a cafeteria with 200 kids and no assigned seating. Everyone gets to sit with their friends. 10 kids misbehave on a regular basis. Rather than punishing the 10, the school changes the policy to assigned seating at lunch. Now, 190 kids who weren't doing anything wrong are now no longer able to sit with their friends during lunch.

I find that neither efficient nor reasonable.

141 posted on 05/20/2004 12:49:17 PM PDT by malakhi (America was founded by those who mistrusted authority.)
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To: Bikers4Bush
You try to keep an eye on 200 kids at a time when it takes two of them to get an ugly situation under control and then get back to me about legitimate discipline issues.

Been there, done that. See my #133.

142 posted on 05/20/2004 12:52:33 PM PDT by malakhi (America was founded by those who mistrusted authority.)
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To: malakhi

I have no problem with it. It is a classic form of discipline, using peer pressure to enforce the rules.

My teachers and coaches used it often. I turned out just fine.

The only problem with this whole situation is the whiney dad who insists the rules are not for his little angel.


143 posted on 05/20/2004 12:52:42 PM PDT by Skooz (My Biography: Psalm 40:1-3)
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To: Dan from Michigan

Have you been to a school cafeteria lately?
We don't know the backround on why this rule was put in place but we do know that this child was not following the rules three times and was punished.
As I said, if the child followed the rules and the parent fought at that point, I would have no problem. Instead another lawsuit because a child did not follow the rules and daddy doesn't like it. Our taxes go up in lawyers fees and the NEA screams they need more money.
Children act only the way we expect them to. If we expect them to follow the rules (even the stupid ones) and work to change them, they will act that way.


144 posted on 05/20/2004 12:53:03 PM PDT by netmilsmom (Supporting our troops, 5/27 - M59 & Old Van Dyke! Yoller if you see us!)
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To: malakhi

It is next to impossible to expel problem kids from schools. The troublemakers usually claim some kind of mental illness, ADD or slight mental retardation, which obligates the school to keep them or face civil rights violations. We had this problem at my little brother's school. A kid on the bus was beating the hell out of the other kids every day, but the school officials claimed they couldn't do anything because it would violate his civil rights since he had been diagnosed with a disorder of some kind. As for my 25 charges, I was universally hated for my clearly spelled out rules and rigidly enforced discipline. lol. They all agreed, however, that they knew where they stood with me.


145 posted on 05/20/2004 12:53:22 PM PDT by flying Elvis
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To: Puppage
Calling reverend Jesse Jackson, calling Jesse Jackson!

Don't bother calling the other reverend, Al Sharpton! I hear he's working overtime at Denny's to pay back the U.S. Taxpayers that $100,000 in matching funds he fraudulently acquired!

146 posted on 05/20/2004 12:53:57 PM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: Skooz
Mine tested positive for heart worms and stayed at the vet for three days last week.

Poor baby! I'm glad he's doing better.

Yeah, he is all gray and white. And he still acts like a puppy. He's always been the funniest Boxer though. He has this thing about flowers and loves to go spend all day lying in my parents flower beds. He's terribly allergic and has to take Benadryl. That doesn't stop him though; the minute he gets outside he heads for the flowers. He's a sweetie.

147 posted on 05/20/2004 12:55:15 PM PDT by Bella_Bru (It's for the children = It takes a village)
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To: Experiment 6-2-6

>>Ignore the fact that they missed this for three weeks, though it's their job to make sure the little kiddies obey.


In my daughter's school, there were two warnings in writing and then a punishment. She wasn't ignored, she was given due process.


148 posted on 05/20/2004 12:55:18 PM PDT by netmilsmom (Supporting our troops, 5/27 - M59 & Old Van Dyke! Yoller if you see us!)
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To: Puppage

Will the father sue the school again when his poor baby is burdened with too much homework?


149 posted on 05/20/2004 12:55:48 PM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: Skooz
I have no problem with it. It is a classic form of discipline, using peer pressure to enforce the rules. My teachers and coaches used it often. I turned out just fine.

That's fine, if you do it for a week. It loses its effectiveness as a strategy if you make it a permanent policy.

150 posted on 05/20/2004 12:56:00 PM PDT by malakhi (America was founded by those who mistrusted authority.)
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To: Skooz; Bella_Bru

Tell me, if y'all might, do Boxers get huge? We're looking for a companion for the Dread Boston Salty, who's 27 pounds of sheer terrier mayhem, and we need something that's too large as a puppy for him to eat, and that's too small as a grown-up to eat him.


151 posted on 05/20/2004 12:57:10 PM PDT by Xenalyte (I may not agree with your bumper sticker, but I shall defend to the death your right to stick it)
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To: Bikers4Bush

Isn't easier and better to just punish the kids making the problems though? Or would you rather teach the kids that they get to pay for the mistakes of others?


152 posted on 05/20/2004 12:58:05 PM PDT by Bella_Bru (It's for the children = It takes a village)
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To: malakhi

If you read that far in my post, you definitely read the part wherein I question the utility of assigned lunch seating.


153 posted on 05/20/2004 12:58:09 PM PDT by Xenalyte (I may not agree with your bumper sticker, but I shall defend to the death your right to stick it)
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To: Bikers4Bush

>>If this brat gets away with doing whatever she wants despite knowing the rules then she'll continue to do it the rest of the way through school. If she had a problem then she should have seen what she could do about getting things changed BEFORE she got in trouble. After the fact is revisionist BS. <<

You are very wise. (and a blessing to your mom!)


154 posted on 05/20/2004 12:59:06 PM PDT by netmilsmom (Supporting our troops, 5/27 - M59 & Old Van Dyke! Yoller if you see us!)
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To: malakhi

"What I learned was, the key to maintaining control is to have a simple, clearly spelled-out set of rules, and rigidly enforce them."

Which is exactly what this school was doing. Don't blame me, they're your words.


155 posted on 05/20/2004 12:59:13 PM PDT by Bikers4Bush (Flood waters rising, heading for more conservative ground. Vote for conservatives!)
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To: flying Elvis
As for my 25 charges, I was universally hated for my clearly spelled out rules and rigidly enforced discipline. lol. They all agreed, however, that they knew where they stood with me.

LOL. When I started that job, there was another guy who was hired the same time as me. He was much laxer with the kids than I was, so for the longest time I'd hear "but Jerry let's us do this". He was the good guy, and I was the bad guy. Then, management cracked down on him because he wasn't keeping things under control, and he had to get tough. All of a sudden, I was the good guy, and he was the bad guy. Consistency is important; they knew all along what to expect from me.

156 posted on 05/20/2004 12:59:22 PM PDT by malakhi (America was founded by those who mistrusted authority.)
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To: malakhi

"I'll choose freedom."

Uh... a little slow on the uptake are ya? I didn't suggest that either of us not choose freedom. Simply meant that I'd have to suffer fools.


157 posted on 05/20/2004 12:59:25 PM PDT by brownsfan (I didn't leave the democratic party, the democratic party left me.)
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To: Bella_Bru
Does he do the classic Boxer "bend in half" routine, when he's really happy to see you?

Salty does that lying on his back - he tries to touch his back feet to his head. I'm trying to get him to do it whenever "Boogie Shoes" plays, but so far less than 100% luck.
158 posted on 05/20/2004 12:59:45 PM PDT by Xenalyte (I may not agree with your bumper sticker, but I shall defend to the death your right to stick it)
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To: Puppage

"Loser pays" sounds more and more palatable right about now...


159 posted on 05/20/2004 1:00:39 PM PDT by mhking (Don't wait for the translation, ANSWER ME NOW!)
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To: Sloth
The rules were clearly stated at the outset. The rules are not overly burdensome, in fact they are perfectly reasonable. They cannot be considered remotely immoral or illegal. Any attempt to make assigned seating in a school lunch room into a moral or legal issue is downright dumb.

As for who sets the limits, apparently the rule was established by the school through its normal process. In short, this means the local society established it. This isn't some arbitrary rule leveled in an arbitrary way.

I teach my children that they must follow the rules. In fact we go over the rules sent home very carefully one by one when the enter a new school. We have even objected at the outset that some rules were either too stupid to agree to or requested clarification. The result has normally been a rewritten rule or an acceptance by the school that we will be exempted. If they want to change them, fine. Follow them until the change is made.

I had one child break a rule that I myself would have been guilty of. There was wet cement and he wrote his name in it. He was suspended for 3 days for damaging property. I did all I could do to keep from bursting out laughing when I was called to principals office. He broke the rule and he paid the price and I supported the punishment. Ten years latter his name is still there and he still thinks the punishment was worth it and that he deserved it.

160 posted on 05/20/2004 1:01:09 PM PDT by VRWC_minion
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