Canadians Have No Right to Look Down on the US: Indeed, None of Us Has

The Telegraph ^ | May 15, 2004 | Adam Nicolson

[The Scourge of Yazid]

Wow, I never realized there were that many who served there; that's impressive.

[boxsmith13]

sorry pal, I live here and there are Spanish signs all over the place. Any such law would be in violation of the first amendment. You shouldnt believe everything you read.

Funny though that you would bring this type of law up since it is Quebec that sends out fascist linguistic police to make sure there is nothing offensice to the froggies.

BTW does Canada have protection of speech regardless of how offensive somemayfine it??? NOPE!!!!


There is no Canadian history asidefrom Laura Secord: Who Farley Mowat?

[The Scourge of Yazid]

I'm not positive about this, but I think the former president of The Phillipines (Fidel Ramos) was in Vietnam. I don't know what position he served in, but I'm pretty sure that he served in some capacity during the Vietnam War.

[Snowyman]

I guess William Branigin, Washington Post, February 6, 1999; Page A04 , made a mistake . The Administrative Office ,Department of Translation Studies, University of Tampere, Finland did too.

Nope!

BTW does Canada have protection of speech regardless of how offensive somemayfine it??? NOPE!!!!

Does the USA?

Chaplinsky v. New Hampshire

The case is best known for Justice Murphy's famous dictum. ''It is well understood that the right of free speech is not absolute at all times and under all circumstances. There are certain well-defined and narrowly limited classes of speech, the prevention and punishment of which have never been thought to raise any Constitutional problem. These include the lewd and obscene, the profane, the libelous, and the insulting or 'fighting' words--those which by their very utterance inflict injury or tend to incite an immediate breach of the peace .

[boxsmith13]

never said free speech was absolute. If you knew your american history you would know it was supreme coutr justice oliver wendell holmes who when describing limits to free speech said "you cant yell fire in a crowdeded thratre" pretty much all american are familiar with the saying.


But in Canada there is a HUMAN RIGHTS Commission very much like what one might read in the book 1984. Citizens can issue complaints against other citizens if they fele "hurt" or "offended" by speech.

In Canada oen has a right not to be "offended" Such a right does not exist i nt he USA


I would dare you to test your own country's tolerance towards free specch by procaliming that Bible says Homosexuality is a sin. Be prepared for what will happen to you.

[Anij]

boxsmith, you simply cannot categorically state with any degree of credulity that "Today Canadians don't think individually." Do you KNOW all 30 million Canadians? Of course not!

It is true that certain things have been declared as "Hate Speech" in Canada, but it doesn't stop those of us who preach the Gospel from doing so.

Canadians are no different than any other people, and will act according to their **individual** consciences when difficult decisions have to be made.

Again, this thread was/is about your contention that Canadians are vehemently "anti-American," and I have repeatedly assured you, even citing personal examples, that this is just not the case. Why can't you see this? - Anij.

[Anij]

Morning gogeo!

I think if you will pay just a little more attention to the text you will see that far from "slamming fellow posters," I am trying to get them to look REASONABLY at the situation, and the ridiculous assertions that are being put forth.

I have addressed this article personally and impersonally, and have pointed out in no uncertain terms that the POV most of you seem to have that Canadians are "anti-American" is simply incorrect. Please re-read my earlier posts for details. - Anij.

[Snowyman]

"Be prepared for what will happen to you."

OK. If you don't mind, I won't hold my breath waiting,:)

This is what you and others refer to,


Bill C-250

Her Majesty, by and with the advice and consent of the Senate and House of Commons of Canada, enacts as follows:

1. Subsection 318(4) of the Criminal Code is replaced by the following:

(4) In this section, "identifiable group" means any section of the public distinguished by colour, race, religion, ethnic origin or sexual orientation.

2.
319(3): No person shall be convicted of an offence under subsection (2)

2. Paragraph 319(3)(b) of the Act is replaced by the following:
...
if, in good faith, the person expressed or attempted to establish by an argument an opinion on a religious subject or an opinion based on a belief in a religious text

Section 319(3) of the CCC states that no person shall be convicted of an offence under this legislation if he establishes that the statements communicated were true.

[Anij]

Morning Snowyman!

Boxsmith 13 is correct in stating that it is now **law** that in Canada we may not speak out against homosexuals, or the homosexual act, nor may we teach our children that this behaviour is deviant in any way. This law was passed finally (after much debate) about two weeks ago.

The penalty for violating this law is a heavy fine and five years in prison, - each count. I have been a missionary for over 30 years, and when what the government says conflicts with what the Bible says, - I know where my loyalties lie.

This is not unlike the new legislation in the States right now where people who send their children to Public School will find that there is now a law that "one must adopt a pro-Israel position, or not attend school."

We home-educated our kids, since the public schools in the U.S. and Canada are pathetic, and Britain (once excellent) isn't much better. They are all Federally run, and **must** follow the UN's GLOBAL CURRICULUM. Cute, eh? Of course, the part about the UN is true in Canada too.

The point I'm trying to get across to our American friends this morning is that there is no anti-American agenda in Canada in general. Most of us holiday in the States, work in the States as well (when it is appropriate) and in my family, - even marry people from the States.

These good people are getting their knickers in a twist over nothing, and I am trying to assure them that many Canadians may not agree with the WOT, but that in no way implies that they do not like and would not feed, clothe shelter, and pray for any and all Americans!

Shabbat shalom, - Anij.

[gogeo]

Good morning to you.

I read the text and followed the posts. The writer cites what he believes is anti-American attitudes and statements. You say this incorrect. Can you address the article?

[Snowyman]

Boxsmith 13 is correct in stating that it is now **law** that in Canada we may not speak out against homosexuals, or the homosexual act, nor may we teach our children that this behaviour is deviant in any way. This law was passed finally (after much debate) about two weeks ago.

I am well aware of this law. I worked against and signed a major petition against it . My local MP is well aware of my and others' position regarding C-250. As much as I don't trust the legislation you need to understand it and what it says . Only what it says . Not what others think it says .

How judges will interpret it is another matter, yet to be seen. This law will be tested and a defence fund has been set up.

[Levante]

ItsonlikeDonkeyKong:

I wish I could remember the source, but one figure I saw was that between 30,000-40,000 Canadians served in the US Forces in Vietnam. Australian, South Korean, Thai, and New Zealand Army forces also served in Vietnam. Supposedly, there was also a handful (less than 12) Spanish military advisors in Vietnam, working with the US.

[The Scourge of Yazid]

Yeah, I kind of figured that we weren't as isolated as we were made out to be by the mainstream media and pseudo-Marxist academics at the time.

There must have been other nations in the Southeast Asian/Pacific Rim region who felt threatened by the spread of communism in their backyard.

I don't know if you're aware of this, but when Suharto was the dictator of Indonesia, he killed every single member of the PKI (Indonesia's own version of the NLF/VietCong), in the country at the time.

[Levante]

Hi Boxsmith13:

I think the RCAF jet you are referring to is the Avro Arrow.

Check this out:http://www.maverick2.com/arrowmain.htm

Cheers,
Levante

[Levante]

I didn't know that about Sukharno. I knew he was anti-communist, but I never realized he went that far.

BTW, in my earlier listing of Allied forces in Vietnam, I left out the Phillipines!

Cheers,
Levante

[The Scourge of Yazid]

Suharto, not Sukarno. Sukarno was the one-name wonder who was deposed by Suharto after he was appointed-ironically enough by the man who would later help to overthrow his government-to stabilize the growing unrest in Indonesia.

It's kind of like what happened in Chile, where Pinochet was the chief of staff to the Chilean army and thought to be a loyal, apolitical lieutenant of Allende, but who wound up taking part in the assault on the presidential palace.

By the way, the one name thing in Indonesia is kind of confusing for me too, but I try to follow the news over there, so I guess I have an edge when it comes to following who's who in that crazy archipelago.

[Levante]

"Suharto, not Sukarno."

Thanks for the clarification! =)

[The Scourge of Yazid]

No problem.

[boxsmith13]

I have read of numerous instances where citizens of Canada were fined for saying "politically incorrect and hurtful things". Anyone can lodge a complaint, it then goes ot the human right commission which then issues a punishment, usually a heafty fine.

[Joee]

I don't have an answer for you. I knew of one support unit of Australian troops that roamed our sector, till they hit a mine. Then there were the Koreans (ROK's). There were a lot of them, but they needed a lot to raid all the PX's open to them. They ran a very efficient Black Market. That's all I can think of now.