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Scientists: Virus May Give Link to Life
Science - AP ^ | 2004-05-12

Posted on 05/13/2004 10:27:11 AM PDT by Junior

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To: Michael_Michaelangelo
The "perspective" doesn't necessarily have to be "literal Genesis" - but it should be something other than "the body is full of useless relics of the past" (i.e., "junk"). If their going-in position(s) had been "this must have an obscure, or yet to be discovered function" - then perhaps science would have progressed further, faster.

It's not as if creationists caught the mistake. Evos made it and evos caught it while following the best data available all the way.

By comparison, let's look at the finding of "walking whale" or feathered dinosaur (or any other transitional) fossils. Evolutionary theory said that all of these things once existed on the Earth and thus many of them would turn up somewhere sooner or later. Creationism not only scoffed at the predictions before they were fulfilled but on purely doctrinaire grounds it can't see the predicted things after they have been found. (It remains a bullet-item in the mantra list that these things don't exist, so by God they don't.)

In other words, an evo can make a mistake. He can also see that he's made a mistake. A creationist can't make a mistake. Apparently, God wouldn't allow it or something. However, creationists are allowed to brazen any instance which might otherwise be embarrassing. I don't see where the creationist approach to facts and data offers any improvement over current methods.

Your claim that we would have cured cancer by now but for science's odd habit of following the currently available best picture of things is interesting. This statement probably cannot be disproven. However, it looks unsupportable. Heck, it looks ridiculous.

61 posted on 05/14/2004 11:24:19 AM PDT by VadeRetro
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To: Michael_Michaelangelo

Lots of people believe in God. Only a handful of physical scientists believe the Earth is 6000 years old.

If there are no creation scientists then is stands to reason that there is no such thing as creation science, and all the books about Flood theory and such are the work of charlatans.

If there are creation scientists, then their work must necessarily meet the same standards as other scientists and be reiewed in the same way.


62 posted on 05/14/2004 11:27:04 AM PDT by js1138 (In a minute there is time, for decisions and revisions which a minute will reverse. J Forbes Kerry)
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To: RightWhale
The word may appears in the headline. Each time the word may appears in a headline we may assume that the article is total speculation.

I take it to mean they they are being honest. Religious fundamentalists should follow the example.

63 posted on 05/14/2004 11:29:10 AM PDT by Moonman62
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To: Junior
"These bugs are living and doing business in a harsh environment," Rice said. "This may be clues about what to look for."

Viruses aren't alive. They exist in a harsh evironment because the host is there, much like football helmets exist in a football stadium.

64 posted on 05/15/2004 3:59:34 PM PDT by AndrewC (I am a Bertrand Russell agnostic, even an atheist.</sarcasm>)
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To: AndrewC
Viruses aren't alive.

You say that authoritatively. However, biolgists are still of two minds on the subject.

65 posted on 05/16/2004 7:24:19 AM PDT by Junior (Sodomy non sapiens)
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To: Junior
However, biolgists are still of two minds on the subject.

Well, then those of the other mind should produce the phylogeny of these "living" viruses rooted in the tree of life.

66 posted on 05/16/2004 12:06:09 PM PDT by AndrewC (I am a Bertrand Russell agnostic, even an atheist.</sarcasm>)
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To: Moonman62
I take it to mean they they are being honest. Religious fundamentalists should follow the example.

Pithy, very pithy. I like that.

67 posted on 05/17/2004 9:58:02 AM PDT by balrog666 (So many idiots, so few comets...)
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To: AndrewC
Well, then those of the other mind should produce the phylogeny of these "living" viruses rooted in the tree of life.

Okay, how about 10 years from today? Is that soon enough for you?

68 posted on 05/17/2004 10:06:54 AM PDT by balrog666 (So many idiots, so few comets...)
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To: balrog666
Okay, how about 10 years from today? Is that soon enough for you?

You and Michael Moore. I'm still waiting for a working "evolutionary" produced cubic function generator. I won't hold my breath.

69 posted on 05/17/2004 10:25:35 AM PDT by AndrewC (I am a Bertrand Russell agnostic, even an atheist.</sarcasm>)
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To: AndrewC
A weird, non sequitur post, so I suppose I should respond in kind. Here goes:

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You and Michael Moore.

Huh? Your face matches an orangutan's butt? Is that the kind of ingenious, ad hominem thing you meant, but lacked the wit, to say?

I'm still waiting for a working "evolutionary" produced cubic function generator. I won't hold my breath.

Cubic, schmubic. Go ahead, hold your breath. About 10 minutes at the bottom of a lake should do it.

Oh, and my tag line came to mind when I thought about you.

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There, that should about do it. Have I forever discredited all science in your eyes now? Can you get on with your life, such as it is, without spewing more of your ID/IOT bile here? I guess we'll just have to wait and see.

70 posted on 05/17/2004 12:34:53 PM PDT by balrog666 (So many idiots, so few comets...)
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To: balrog666
There, that should about do it. Have I forever discredited all science in your eyes now?

Naww. Heavens no! You have only proved that my statement was correct in describing you. I've observed kindergarteners with more wit and savvy in their taunts than you in your pitiful "locution". Rave on mad troll.

71 posted on 05/18/2004 7:31:33 PM PDT by AndrewC (I am a Bertrand Russell agnostic, even an atheist.</sarcasm>)
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