Censorship in arts 'healthy,' Pat Boone says

washington times ^ | 4 23 04 | Steve Miller

[WhiteGuy]

So Maplethorps photos of five year old girl, with their legs wide open, and genitals exposed, is a good thing?????


Of course not, I made no such claim.

However, our COnstitution reminds US that freedom of speech and expression is our right.

I have no use for those who wish to selectively embrace our god-given rights.

[little jeremiah]

Actually I have quite a libertarian-consistent view about gov't spending. Reduction of 50% would be a good START. It just that the libertarian utpianist philosophy of permitting all manner of vices (not at all consistent with the practice or philosophy of the founders of this country) is very like the wetdream fantasies of adolescent boys.

[chance33_98]

only if the books have pics :)

[little jeremiah]

It's surprising to see such support for perversion and limitless vice in the name of free speech on FR. Imagine other websites which are not conservative!

I do not feel hopeless about it, however. Everything changes under the sun, and if those who see the truth of this issue keep speaking the truth, each of us doing whatever we can, and supporting financially, with votes, or in whatever way is practicable, those who can do more - Man Proposes, God Disposes!

Every civilization has come and gone, with its good and bad. Morality has certainly sunk to a very low point, but not the lowest in the history of the world. But because of mass media, the sickness pervades everywhere more apparently, and it is harder to escape the stench. But for that very reason, people of good will are, I am convinced, waking up to the fact that if we allow those who love trash to turn the country - and indeed, the world - into a garbage dump, we'll ALL suffer the consequences.

[CardCarryingMember.VastRightWC]

......take the amish line. ..... pour your money into land and your own culture....

I have a better idea. Since there are more of us who want to protect our kids from smut than there are pornaholics .... then instead of your idea of forcing those with my viewpoint to buy land and create little Amishvilles all over the place, why don't we instead let our side keep our current communities relatively porn free, and we'll make the other side spend THEIR money on land, out of which they can create little Smutvilles and Pornvilles dotting the landscape?

[CardCarryingMember.VastRightWC]

I also wonder how conservative this forum is. Some posters are awfully eager for government solutions to the problem du jour.

Oh yeah. True Conservatives never call on the government to do anything. Why, just all the time these days we see True Conservatives posting here on F.R. demanding that GWB pull out of Iraq, and asking the big question, "Why can't the private sector handle this Iraq / Afghanistan / al-Qaeda thingy?"

[CardCarryingMember.VastRightWC]

I never could quite put my finger on ..... libertarians ....

This is of course just a generalization, but defining Libertarians as, "Conservative on economic issues and Liberal on social issues" comes pretty close to the mark for the vast majority of them that I've known.

The one thing I'd like to know about Libertarianism is this --- Are there pro-abortion and anti-abortion wings? And if so, which is larger? Reason I ask is that the few Libertarians I've heard discussing this issue are pro-abortion and they frame it as an issue of "Liberty and Freedom for the Woman!" - completely discounting the possibility that a 9-month-old, about-to-be-born baby could ever have any rights too, or even any traces of humanity.

If it turns out that there is a large contingent of pro-life libertarians out there, it would certainly increase my opinion of them considerably.

[FairWitness]

Here's the problem:
The culture itself used to censor it, with shaming and expressions of revulsion.
Once the government has to do it, something has been lost.

In other (familiar) words: There is no freedom without responsibility.

[CardCarryingMember.VastRightWC]

I have no use for those who wish to selectively embrace our god-given rights.

Really? It's uncommon on a conservative forum to hear from someone who claims to "have no use" whatsoever for our Founding Fathers, to say nothing of virtually everyone in their parents' generation, their grandparents' generation, their great-grandparents' generation, ........ etc.

All of those generations embraced strict censorship of porn, and simultaneously they fiercely supported the First Amendment right to Free Speech, and quite amazingly (to you at least) they saw no inherent contradiction in these two separate beliefs.

You may "have no use" for of those past generations, but most of us here feel we owe them a great debt in many ways.

[nopardons]

In another time,guys got their ideas about how to be suave/treat women,from watching Cary Grant and Fred Astaire movies...now,unfortunately,boys pattern themselves on what they see on MTV.

I'm a woman who has NEVER read a romance novel/"bodice ripper".Some women do,some don't and I don't think that men need to read them.But men and women ARE different and I think you've just had the light bulb go off.Good for you.

Have a GREAT time in Vegas,it sounds as though you and your wife are going to.Absence does make the heart grow fonder,when true love exists...23 years and counting.:-)

[nopardons]

One,that I'm thinking of reccomending to you,is full of pictures,mostlty by Hogarth.:-)

[nopardons]

If you read the LP platform, they're pro-abortion.

If you ask those here, who claim to be L/libertarians,you'll find that they're all over the place...some are pro-abortion,others are pro-life,and some are in between,saying that some abortion is okay,late/partial birth abortion isn't.

As a matter of fact,FR's L/libertarians don't agree on much,as a group and some don't agree with 98% of what the LP has to say.

[nopardons]

Wrong,wrong,DEAD WRONG! From colonial times onward, Fed/state/local governments have all had a hand in censoring,in America.

[Zeroisanumber]

You may "have no use" for of those past generations, but most of us here feel we owe them a great debt in many ways.

I held my grandfather in the highest regard, but that didn't make him right on each and every account.