Drug Makers Hope to Kill the Kick in Pain Relief

NY Times ^ | April 20, 2004 | SANDRA BLAKESLEE

[Monty22]

BTW, I've been on that scale. I know for DAMN sure it isn't the number of pain, but the trend and relative movement of it.

an 8 or 9 means nothing. You take that number, and see how it changes versus treatment.

You should know that, being a medical expert and all.

What's the name of the scale again? I want a good laugh.

[Monty22]

Just so you know, the Mankoski Pain Scale means nothing in absolute terms. It's a lot like the polygraph. A make believe scale that is used to measure change. You can go from 2 to 5 and it's seen as bad.

People have different levels of pain levels. You should know this. I'm surprised you'd insult me, while mispelling the name, and not even knowing what it really is all about.

[JDoutrider]

Sir Monty:

It matters not who you bow down to when you are mistaken...

It DOES matter when your ignorance is mistakenly posted as truth.

I DO wholeheartedly believe you need to get yourself informed about the arena of analgesics!

What you have posted here is positively uninformed and biased. We in the medical profession, consider what your arguments against analgesics are neanderthal.

The AMA, JAMA. et cetera wholly condemn your thesis...what medical college are you graduated from?

Inquiring minds need to know.

[Monty22]

Where are you graduated from?

[AntiGuv]

Monty22: "an 8 or 9 means nothing."

Mankoski Pain Scale
Copyright © 1995, 1996, 1997 Andrea Mankoski. All rights reserved.
Right to copy with attribution freely granted.

8	Physical activity severely limited. You can read and converse with effort. Nausea and dizziness set in as factors of pain.	Stronger painkillers are minimally effective. Strongest painkillers reduce pain for 3-4 hours.
9	Unable to speak. Crying out or moaning uncontrollably - near delirium.	Strongest painkillers are only partially effective.

[Ken H]

To start, as in..

As in.. you're stuck for a way out of your position?

Why do I bother.

It beats being honest and admiting that you recommended "SSRI's at the time of trauma to start"? (post #110)

[Monty22]

Those numbers mean nothing. I can go in with a headache and say I'm a 6, take an aspirin, and say it's a 7 after.

It's a COMPLTELY SUBJECTIVE RATING

The only thing doctors look for is the change, up or down. Then they know the effect (more or less) of the medication!

[Monty22]

Again, I said SSRI's to start from then if needed. IF the emotional trauma may need it.

[JDoutrider]

In response... An 8 or 9 means EVERYTHING...sorry for the mistatement...

[AntiGuv]

Just as an idle aside, in order to know the effect of the medication, one must first prescribe the medication without yet knowing the effect of the medication..

BTW, your statement was definitely false on its face, please don't compound the spectacle by persisting in your falsehood.

[Monty22]

Also, this is not a common use scale.. note:
Results 1 - 10 of about 125 for Mankoski Pain Scale

that's it. She made it up.

The 1-10 scale is a simple relative scale. It is commonly used.

Your paste of a personal website, is embarrassing to you.

It's not a standard. The real pain scale of 1-10 is a purely relative scale.

[Monty22]

Nobody uses that scale, or that name for it. It's a one-off personal use site.

[Monty22]

Again, as I've researched, one person came up with this and you found their site.

And this is your reply? Pitiful!

[AntiGuv]

hehehe.. It must suck to be you in this thread. You're really getting gangbanged from all sides. I'm surprised your fellow drug warriors haven't swooped in to your defense.

Perhaps you should stop while you're behind, go to bed, and decide whether it's worth coming back in the morning.

PS. You're starting to whine in some of your posts. It's very unbecoming..

[Monty22]

You quoted this as your source:

andi@valis.com

www.valis.com/andi
393 Anna Avenue
Mountain View, CA 94043

I am a human computer interface designer, which means I do industrial design for computer software. I design the parts of programs that people interact with. My job is to make software useful, easy to use, aesthetically pleasing, and if possible, fun.
I work at Sun Microsystems in the Software Products and Platforms division.

[AntiGuv]

LOL! I personally don't give a damn about the scale. Scale or no scale it doesn't reduce the cluelessness of your comments. I admit, my only goal was to prove you wrong. I succeeded.. =)

[Monty22]

As I note, your 145 quoted this person.. And so did someone else who 'attacked me'.

LOL.


No whining, but I'm shocked you guys are reaching so low.

[Ken H]

Again, I said SSRI's to start from then if needed. IF the emotional trauma may need it.

Yes, I know you said SSRI's to start, and I assumed you would continue them if needed. Thank you!

Now, where do you get that SSRI's are to be used "at the start of trauma" when the Merck Manual says this:

"Drugs to assist sleep may help, but other drugs are probably not indicated because they may interfere with the natural healing process."

http://www.merck.com/mrkshared/mmanual/section15/chapter187/187f.jsp

[Monty22]

You failed, you tried to use some nonsense against me, and I proved how silly you were :)

You failed, badly.

So far people on this thread:

1: someone jordge to me that docs won't prescribe anti-depressants and opiates.

WRONG

2: something about some computer science major's pain scale

SILLY

Sorry, you druggies lost bad.

[nopardons]

Actually, it stinks to be you pro-dopers.Few people here even bother with these threads,because you play "dog-pile on the rabbit",with the antis that show up.Most people do NOT agree with you and your kind.But then, you already knew that.:-)