IRS raids business, home of creationist (Dr. Dino)

Pensacola New-Journal ^ | 17 April 2004 | Bret Norman

[Pan_Yans Wife]

Thanks.

[ancient_geezer]

complete with approving quotes of Irwin Schiff and the like...

This IRWIN Schiff?

http://www.taxprophet.com/hot/june98.html

Implicit with the trust scam promoters (discussed in the May 1998 Hot Topics) is the recognition that U.S. tax laws are valid and apply to taxpayers; otherwise, there would be no need for their trusts. Another segment of the tax scam industry dispenses with the need for fancy trusts by proclaiming you have no legal duty to file tax returns or pay taxes. In other words, our tax system is illegal or unconstitutional.

Many such pages populate the Web, but the leading guru of this group must be Irwin Schiff. Visit his website at http://www.ischiff.com/ and you might be convinced that you don’t have to pay income taxes. Schiff fails to mention that he is a criminally-convicted tax evader and has lost -- big time -- in every court that has heard his meritless theories.

Schiff has been unrelenting and tenacious in presenting his frivolous arguments to the public and to the courts. He has also acted on his beliefs and has suffered the consequences: jail, seizure of assets, penalties and fines, and total and absolute rejection of each and every one of his ideas by the courts.

[ancient_geezer]

Seriously, why not have a look at Hovind's own words on the subject?

Would do well to look at this web page as well ==> Click Here

[general_re]

Yep, that Irwin Schiff. Hovind's apparently borrowing many of his ideas about the tax system from Schiff, although if you chase down the references in that page I linked above, he grabs crackpot ideas from a variety of crackpot sources.

[PatrickHenry]

And so forth and so on, complete with approving quotes of Irwin Schiff and the like...

This is very funny. When I first registered on this website, I used to spend time on some of the "Tax Protester" threads, in an attempt to keep freepers from being misled by attractive-sounding but fatally flawed tax-avoidance schemes. While doing that, I would frequently encounter the same true-beliver kind of poster there that we do here in the science threads. The statutes didn't matter; court decisions didn't matter; because they had the truth^tm. Whenever I explained why their little schemes wouldn't work, they would accuse me of loving the income tax or of being an IRS agent. (It's a very similar reaction to the way evolution is accused of being an anti-Christian cult.) Indeed, I was once the topic of one of the all-time classic threads, still remembered by many: Breaking:NSA Cold Busted On Free Republic!.

Anyway, I've long been aware of a similar mentality shared by the tax-protesters and the creationists. And what do you know ... Hovind and Irwin Schiff are now joined at the hip. I sense that there's a deep truth involved here, but I don't have the psychological training to work it out.

[VadeRetro]

Archæopteryges of like panache agglutinate.

Some comedian used to do Richard Burton doing Three Blind Mice:

Thr-ree r-rodents with visual deficiencies.
Thr-ree r-rodents with visual deficiencies.
Obsuuhve how they per-rambulate!
Obsuuhve how they per-rambulate!

[VadeRetro]

By their non-reply within the 20 days required by law they have also told me I was not required to file any forms or keep any records.

I do not believe that a failure by the IRS to respond on any question within 20 days means you can do anything you want, year after year, on tax matters. Such argument seems to be a cornerstone of the defense here.

[PatrickHenry]

Such argument seems to be a cornerstone of the defense here.

We have seen a similar style of argumentation in the crevo threads:

Your failure to respond proves that I'm right!
</1⁷²⁰ mode>

[general_re]

Indeed, I was once the topic of one of the all-time classic threads, still remembered by many: Breaking:NSA Cold Busted On Free Republic!.

Every pile has at least one gem:

Care to explain what this is all about, Patrick Henry?

Personally, I don't care if you are a Fed. In my book, Fed or not, you've always been an a**h***.

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:^)

[RightWingAtheist]

Just like their hero, William Jennings Bryan, they have a complete disregard for the simple laws of basic economics.

[general_re]

Such argument seems to be a cornerstone of the defense here.

A cornerstone with all the solidity and firmness of a bowl of oatmeal, obviously. Granted, the IRS is no Ford Motor Credit or anything, but I think they'll get their man sooner or later here, if for no other reason than because Hovind is a True Believer who's not smart enough to quit while he's ahead.

[VadeRetro]

[Stingray to Patrick:] ...you've always been an a**h***.

The argument is only reinforced in this case by the "it takes one to know one" principle.

[RightWingAtheist]

And now...creationist economics! What invisible hand? It's the hand of big gover-er, God, which we must all bow to!

[VadeRetro]

Breaking:NSA Cold Busted On Free Republic!

One last, weary time for this joke:

BBC broadcast, June 1944:

To our friends in Belgium:

"The wind rises and the geese fly. The wind rises and the geese fly."

To our friends in Holland:

"The puzzle is nearly solved. The puzzle is nearly solved."

To our friends in France:

"The landings are at 0500 on the 6th at Normandy. The landings are at 0500 on the 6th at Normandy."

[Doctor Stochastic]

Do not discharge globular drops of lachrymal fluid on account capsized lacteal extract.

[VadeRetro]

Your oration seems neither piscine nor avian.

[Doctor Stochastic]

One if by land,
Two if by sea,
Three if they come
From Washington DC.

[Dimensio]

Indeed, I was once the topic of one of the all-time classic threads, still remembered by many: Breaking:NSA Cold Busted On Free Republic!.

Oh my. And I thought that some of the relatively recently banned Creationists were kooks. Geez!

[PatrickHenry]

One thing I've noticed ... virtually everyone with the word "Patriot" in his screen-name is likely to be a genuine nutball.

[DannyTN]

Pass me the tar!!!

Of course I'd rather see that page linked on his web-site, but I'll assume that's really from him, and I'd say he's going to be opening a prison ministry soon. It is consistent with his failure to pay the building permit.

There is a legitimate debate about whether churches should register as 501c's. I believe the advice given to most churches is not to register. They haven't historically been required to register and those that do, are then required to report income and other matters to the feds.

However, Hovind should be taking a salary from the ministry and recognizing the value of that plus certain other perks. I'm not sure what the Catholic church does since their priests take a vow of poverty, but my guess after reading that link is that Hovind has been listening to the tax conspiracists and is not set up legally to not pay taxes.