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Question: What's in it for libertarian-conservatives? Answer: Not much
The Digital Collegian (Penn State) ^
| Wednesday, April 14, 2004
| Steve Boneck
Posted on 04/14/2004 11:01:18 AM PDT by Willie Green
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To: Willie Green
It's not wrong by any means to be socially conservative, but a reasonable basis should be required for acting this way. Why are they against abortion, gay marriage or, God forbid, stem cell research? Well, a book that was written under dubious circumstances two millennia ago supposedly tells them this. Moving right along...
Show 'em my motto!
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posted on
04/14/2004 11:07:42 AM PDT
by
rdb3
(Diamond in the back, sunroof top, diggin' the scene with a gangsta lean...)
To: Willie Green
Good article. As a libertarian-liberal, I find the two-party winner-takes-all system to be abysmally inadequate. What drives me crazy is when Democrats and Republicans each blame the other for authoritarian behavior. It's a completely different axis, but we don't currently have the apparatus to make these distinctions in the general political dialog.
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posted on
04/14/2004 11:24:14 AM PDT
by
Robson
To: mike4staterep2004; Dan from Michigan
Fellow Liberty Caucus?
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posted on
04/14/2004 11:26:13 AM PDT
by
apackof2
(I'm gonna live what I believe)
To: Robson
As a libertarian-liberal, How can that not be an oxymoron?
To: Willie Green
All ideologues make the ordinal mistake of thinking that relative goods are absolute ones.
To: Hemingway's Ghost
Maybe a libertarian-liberal is different from a libertarian-socialist by degrees.
To: Hemingway's Ghost
A libertarian-liberal would focus more on the social issues at the heart of libertarian ideology and less on the economic ones.
I am a libertarian-libertarian. Makes me a liberal on some issues, conservative on others and somewhere in-between on the third.
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posted on
04/14/2004 11:34:02 AM PDT
by
graf008
To: graf008
A libertarian-liberal would focus more on the social issues at the heart of libertarian ideology ...
In other words, a moral-liberal in total agreement on social and moral issues with Trotskyite moral-liberals, Leninist-Stalinist-Maoist moral-liberals, and moral-liberals in the mass media and academia.
To: graf008
A libertarian-liberal would focus more on the social issues at the heart of libertarian ideology ...
In other words, a moral-liberal in total agreement on social and moral issues with Trotskyite moral-liberals, Leninist-Stalinist-Maoist moral-liberals, and moral-liberals in the mass media and academia.
To: graf008; Cultural Jihad
I guess I fail to see how an ideology that espouses personal freedom and personal sovereignty could reconcile itself and become "one," however bastardized the splice, with an ideology that espouses groupthink and groupcontrol and "public" property (aka, taxes), as liberalism does. I'm of the opinion it's quite impossible to be a liberal and a libertarian at the same time, as it's impossible to be pregnant and not pregnant at the same time.
To: Willie Green
Although I think he's a little antagonistic toward religion, I pretty much fall in the same place. Libertarian-conservative, socially liberal, fiscally conservative, reason above faith. Yes, that often puts at odds with the social conservatives here.
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posted on
04/14/2004 11:40:40 AM PDT
by
tdadams
(If there were no problems, politicians would have to invent them... wait, they already do.)
To: Hemingway's Ghost
Take the individual ideas expressed as compared to the whole ideology. It is very possible to be both pro-choice and anti-tax. Focusing on the pro-choice part over the anti-tax when picking a candidate would be a liberal-liberatarian.
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04/14/2004 11:42:31 AM PDT
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graf008
To: Cultural Jihad
I didn't realize this was a discussion on communism...but if he is using the same thinking as communists do - then yes.
He could come at the issue from a libertarian aspect, though - which would be entirely different than enforcing no morals at the end of a gun, as is the communist idea.
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posted on
04/14/2004 11:44:01 AM PDT
by
graf008
To: graf008
Focusing on the pro-choice part over the anti-tax when picking a candidate would be a liberal-liberatarian. With all due respect, I believe you're using your terms incorrectly. It's certainly possible to be pro-choice and anti-tax, but a liberal would believe the government has a duty to pay for abortions for women who can't afford them. A libertarian wouldn't.
To: Hemingway's Ghost
That would be a libertarian-liberal. I think most pro-choice individuals (outside of what NARAL or other groups say) would be libertarians on the abortion issue and oppose the government saying what can be done, but also oppose the government paying or forcing abortions.
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posted on
04/14/2004 11:51:05 AM PDT
by
graf008
To: graf008
That would be a libertarian-liberal. Um, okay . . . whatever. Good luck with that. Next up, Monarchist-anarchists.
To: rdb3
Where's my book?
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posted on
04/14/2004 12:00:26 PM PDT
by
Howlin
To: Cultural Jihad
All ideologues make the ordinal mistake of thinking that relative goods are absolute ones.So liberty is a relative good? Are there any absolute goods, and if so, what are they and how do we tell the difference?
To: rdb3
Well, a book that was written under dubious circumstances two millennia ago supposedly tells them this. ... Since when has the non-provable become grounds for "evidence?" I assume this college boy will prove, with ample evidence, that the Bible was written under "dubious circumstances," just for the sake of consistency.
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