Parents Who Choose Not to Vaccinate Children Upset with Some in the Medical Community

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[SoftballMominVA]

The term "autism" was not formally used until the 1940's by Dr. Kanner of Baltimore and Dr. Aspberger of Vienna Austria. During the 1960's it was believed that autism was caused by cold uncaring mothers. It wasn't until the 1990's that autism was formally placed into the DSM-IV and later a genetic link was found--Chromosome 15 I believe.

So why didn't we hear of it 30 years ago? Simple, it wasn't formally diagnosed and recognized.

However an interesting side note is that autism is very prevalent in two areas of the country--Brick, NJ and the Silicon Valley. There are tremendous numbers of Aspberger folks working in the computer industry in CA and Brick, NJ is largely an industrial/urbane center. What is the connection? I don't know, but it is odd that two opposite ends of the country have much higher than expected numbers.

[Dec31,1999]

It's your choice to make, of course, but I'd hate to see other people's bad judgment validated by your tragic story.

But that's the whole point. Children who are NOT vaccinated CANNOT attend school. There is no choice. ( Other than abortion, of course. THAT'S considered a choice, but not vaccines, no!)

[SoftballMominVA]

OOps, misspelled "Asperger" Sorry.

[RFEngineer]

"I am not responsible for "society as a whole". I am responsible for MY children."

Exactly the crux of the argument. If your nephew, were not vaccinated, perhaps he'd be fine today, even if he contracted the diseases he was vaccinated against that caused him harm. However, many millions of children would die if these same vaccines were not available.

Those who die and those who live aren't always the same people when looking at both sides of the "societal benefit" equation of vaccines

But, those who do not vaccinate their children because they buy into the whole conspiracy bit endanger YOUR children, who as you say, cannot be vaccinated - your children will not benefit from "herd" immunity if people take the same course as you. Other peoples vaccinations are more of an imperative to your children

[TomB]

Like because that's what they are being taught?

Ah yes, the evil government has infiltrated EVERY medical school, even the ones that aren't in this country, and brainwashed practically evey graduate to endorse vaccinations. And none of them catch on?

While you, and a few intrepid internet researchers know better.

Yep. Convinced me.

And no, I'm NOT pro-choice. And the implication that because I favor vaccines I favor abortion is beyond ridiculous and offensive.

Thankfully, we did not succum until after 1999, when the vaccine became safer.

What happened in 1999 that made MMR safer?

[Dec31,1999]

I'm sorry. I didn't mean to attack you personally. But I guess you are for abortion, then; otherwise it wouldn't have seemed like an attack.

Yes, vaccines have saved millions, but there is a limit, don't you think? And if the benefit is so readily apparent, don't you think the parents should make that decision, or do you think that the state should decide what's best for your child?

You DO have children, don't you?

[DoctorMichael]

I would like to know the effects of not vaccinating children.

Death.

[Dec31,1999]

And no, I'm NOT pro-choice. And the implication that because I favor vaccines I favor abortion is beyond ridiculous and offensive.

Then the remedy is SIMPLE. Simply state that you are pro life on this public forum. No problem.

[SoftballMominVA]

Well, you can take that line of reasoning a bit far too, because frankly most people are idiots. This afternoon I saw a mom rolling down the highway with a toddler in her lap. Yeah, she was driving about 65. Hmmmmmmm smart.

Now she may BELIEVE it is her "right" to do that, even if it is illegal, but if that kid grabs the wheel and runs the car into me, I ain't gonna give a fat rat's ass about her "rights" now am I?

[Sabertooth]

I'm not against vaccinations, per se. I just think that the state has no right to demand that children be vaccinated as a requirement to attend school. I believe that the parents have the ultimate say as to when and what their children are vaccinated for.

Sure they do.

Antivaccine parents should have the opportunity to send their children to exclusively vaccine-free schools. Let them understand the consequences of their Ludditism when they are denied the opportunity to parasitize off of the herd immunity provided by the immunized children of responsible parents.

[TomB]

Then the remedy is SIMPLE. Simply state that you are pro life on this public forum. No problem.

I am vehemently Roman Catholic pro-life, having spent many cold hours in Washington at the March for Life.

Not that that has ANY bearing on this discussion.

Of cousre, when you have no support for your point of view you'll take any chance to cloud the subject.

Now answer the question, what happened in 1999 that made MMR "safer"?

[AppyPappy]

you think the parents should make that decision

I don't have a problem with that as long as the parents know that they will face punishment if their child catches a disease like polio.

[Dec31,1999]

Well, maybe you're right. If so, I apologize. If you are AGAINST killing the unborn, then I was wrong to surmise such.

[Sabertooth]

I find it interesting that many on this thread would be thrilled to FORCE others to vaccinate their children, when even the vaccine manufacturers admit there are many people who should NOT be vaccinated, children who have had adverse reactions, people with family members who are vaccine damaged, and those with eczema/psoriasis among them. My children have all of those factors.

I would not force you to vaccinate your children.

If your children are in public schools, I would require you to keep them in schools that are exclusively for the non-vaccinated children of parents who think like you do.

If you want non-immunuized children, go all the way, and deny them the herd immunity provided by vaccinated kids.

[RFEngineer]

"But that's the whole point. Children who are NOT vaccinated CANNOT attend school. There is no choice. ( Other than abortion, of course. THAT'S considered a choice, but not vaccines, no!)"

That is correct- one of the reasons is because there are children like those of Politcalmom, who cannot be vaccinated.

The abortion analogy is a very poor and hyperbolic argument. If you argue against abortion because of the human life that is clearly saved, then you can make the same argument for compulsory vaccination - that it saves human lives.

[Thoeting]

Dude! you just got served!!!!!!!

[TomB]

I'm still waiting to hear what happened in 1999 that made MMR "safer".

[Sabertooth]

But that's the whole point. Children who are NOT vaccinated CANNOT attend school. There is no choice.

Homeschool your kids or find a private school that is willing to experiment with pandemics.

I'd love for you to have a voucher for such a school, but in the meantime you're simply complaining that you are unable to have your children parasitize off of the herd immunity provided by those of us who've immunized our kids.

[Dec31,1999]

There was a reference to that earlier. Scroll up. I think it was that they took the mercury out of it.

But my argument to the doctors was that I wanted my son not to have to take all three vaccines at once, so as not to overwhelm his immune system.

To no avail, of course.The AMA statists get what they want. Consumer be damned!

[TomB]

There was a reference to that earlier. Scroll up. I think it was that they took the mercury out of it.

Is that a reference to my "safer" question?