Claim vs. Fact: Rice's Q&A Testimony Before the 9/11 Commission

Center for American Progress

[cyncooper]

CLAIM by the Center for American Progress: We present the truth.

FACT: They are deceitful imps of Satan

[cyncooper]

CLAIM: "I think that having a Homeland Security Department that can bring together the FAA and the INS and Customs and all of the various agencies is a very important step." [responding to Hamilton]

FACT: The White House vehemently opposed the creation of the Department of Homeland security. Its opposition to the concept delayed the creation of the department by months.

Like here's a whopper from this "piece".

FACT: (read it and weep as you're exposed as lying)

Preparing for The Next Pearl Harbor Attack (JUNE 2001, Bush team addressing terrorism threat)

Excerpt:

The Bush administration has seized the problem aggressively with a range of initiatives to have a working system in place to defend the country against attacks on its critical infrastructure. Pentagon insiders tell Insight that Rumsfeld's reviews pay close attention to homeland defense and that the administration is weighing creation of a special office for that purpose.

[cyncooper]

Uh, are you under the impression there is some factual basis for this tripe?

At any rate, I went ahead and posted refutation of one aspect because I had the link handy.

[bobsatwork]

Well, I decided to waste some of my time and look into this. I got as far as Claim #1, which implies that the US had a credible warning in July, 2001 about suicide airline hijackings. Here are some excerpts from the LA Times 9/27/01 report, which were NOT used in Claim #1: "American counter terrorism experts considered the warning unsubstantiated";, and the US official said the "reports were received and discounted", and, the same unnamed official, the reports were "unsubstantiated information". And, of course, the attacks on Genoa never took place: it appears the info was bogus.
I am finished with my research.

[Maine For Bush]

"CLAIM: "I think that having a Homeland Security Department that can bring together the FAA and the INS and Customs and all of the various agencies is a very important step." [responding to Hamilton]

FACT: The White House vehemently opposed the creation of the Department of Homeland security. Its opposition to the concept delayed the creation of the department by months."

This is partially true, but clearly distorted for their own purpose. President Bush initially opposed the creation of the department, but embraced it after it's passage through Congress seemed inevitable. I think he had a lot of initial concerns which were not being addressed.

[jonno]

Bin Laden Determined to Attack Inside the United States.

Let me get this straight - Bin Laden was actually DETERMINED to attack the United States???

No, really, I want to make sure I understand this. OB didn't just WANT to attack the U.S., he was actually DETERMINED.

My God! If we had known that he was DETERMINED, I have no doubt that we could have stopped those bad, bad, men.

[jonno]

No, No, No! I get get it now!!! There was a memo (PDB?) titled "....OB is Determined to atack...".

My God! So they KNEW he was DETERMINED. What incompetance!!! Throw C. Rice and all the rest of these lying bums OUT!!!

/sarcasm