Spain's Surrender (Important)

Front Page Magazine ^ | March 18, 2004 | Jamie Glazov and Victor Hanson

[Burkeman1]

And? Who cares? The price of oil should be the price of oil on the market? Are you admitting it isn't? Are you saying that the US is in Iraq for less than WMD or "TURN then into Democrat" reasons? You must be a commie to think that!

[Burkeman1]

Then admit what the war is about?

[Bonaparte]

"Spain has agreed to leave their troops until the first of June. Evidently they don't feel any need to remain after Iraq regains her sovereignty. I don't see where that is appeasement."

Just this morning, Rumsfeld made it clear (once again) that Iraqi independence in June doesn not mean the sudden, complete withdrawal of all foreign military support. Far from it. I think the US draw-down will be to about 24,000.

"The president has said he believes the U.S. and the coalition need to stay as long as needed, but not a day longer, and I think that's right," he continued. "And then the question of how long is that, of course that's unknown. We know they're making very good progress, and we know they're taking over more and more responsibility."

The secretary compared the impossibility to pinpoint an end date for troops in Iraq to that of teaching a youngster how to ride a bicycle.

"They're learning, and you're running down the street holding onto the back of the bike seat," he said. "You know that if you take your hand off, they could fall, so you take a finger off and then two fingers, and pretty soon you're just barely touching it. (Leaving Iraq) will be like that. You can't know when you're running down the street how many steps you're going to have to take. We can't know that, but we're off to a good start."

In spite of the June independence date, no other coalition nation has announced its intention to abandon Iraq in June. On the contrary, many of them have just reiterated their determination to see their commitment through. You may have read the Iraqi Foreign Minister's statement calling for the coalition to not leave until Iraq's new government and social order is sufficiently stabilized and its own security forces are fully operational. That could take time.

Spain has definitely appeased the terrorists.

[Burkeman1]

Ah- nice anti Catholic slant. Some will see it. Most won't.

[txhurl]

How high ARE you?

[swilhelm73]

Yeah, I didn't expect a coherent response. I figured you could come up with more than that though. Guess I was wrong.

[Burkeman1]

You?

[txhurl]

Then admit what the war is about?

OK, busted. It's all about baklava. All this time, decades.

[txhurl]

Does your girlfriend know where you are?

[Burkeman1]

Why have 560 Americans been killed in Iraq? In your words tell me?

[Bonaparte]

There are 31 nations that have deployed to Iraq.

Can you name one besides Spain that has said it will cut and run in June?

[Burkeman1]

please list them and their committments then! 31 nations? Show us how the support the US? In what numbers? List these supporters? Heavey Hitters are they?

[txhurl]

War.

Do you really, really, really envision a planet where there's never any war, ever again?

Really? Because then you'll have to file for a screen name change to Utopian1.

Man, I'm not trying to be harsh and all buzzkill. Read history. War has been with us (and will always be - the commodity changes occasionally) because we demand it as a species. It's genetic, not partisan. 'Twas ever thus.

[Unassuaged]

SO, does that mean that we cannot change our ways, given the new paradigm? I will agree that we have made many "lesser of two evils" choices, but I think that we are moving forward and may be able to start the decades long process of disentangling ourselves from bad and no longer necessary alliances. From your tone, I get the feeling you think that , since we erred in the past, we cannot ever act in our own interest, or honor our (sometimes appalling) alliances. What say you?

[Burkeman1]

Honduras Nicaragua Dominican Republic Kazakstan Philippiness Bugaria Hungary Japan El Salvador Romania Portugal New Zealand South Korea Mongolia Moldova 31 nations are involved in helping Afghanistan along the road towards freedom. Nations With Forces Deployed To Afghanistan In Support of Enduring Freedom United States Germany Canada France United Kingdom Albania Austria Azerbaijan Belgium Bulgaria Croatia Denmark Estonia Finland Macedonia Greece Hungary Iceland Ireland Italy Latvia Lithuania Netherlands Norway New Zealand Romania Spain Sweden Switzerland Turkey Czech Republic 34 nations are involved in helping Iraq along the road towards freedom.

And this list is impressive how? How many "Swedes" are there? How many "Croats" are in Iraq? What a joke list. This is a list of kiss ass fake nations that suck up to us and have given token forces, at best, to "legitmize" this stupid illegal war.

you agree then ping Burkman1 on this site.

[John Lenin]

That every communist revolution ate its own children reveals a pernicious death wish in the heart of the Left, and I think it is very much in prominence once again in the War on Terror, in which the left is now in love with those despots who, once again, offer them the dream of extinguishing their own civil society and the freedom within it.

Pageing Ed Asner, pickup the red phone please.

[Bonaparte]

Yes, as I said, AQ could blow this opportunity. I hope they do. If they keep killing Spaniards, that country's voters will grow a backbone and return to the fold. They will have no choice -- unless they want to become a muslim country.

[Burkeman1]

War was mans' state. It is not any longer.

[txhurl]

You know, I'm lyin'. It ain't the species, it's the banks who demand war. The species simply accomodate it.

But the net result is the same. As long as we have banks, we'll have war. I'd try to come to grips with this as soon as you can. It'll save you untold agony time you could spend hiking or fishing, etc.