MARRIAGE DIGEST: N.Y. Times editorial says nation will change

BP News ^ | 3/12/04 | Michael Foust

[Jeff Chandler]

Barbara ...telling ...that “happiness can be many things,” even a warm puppy.

That's next, I suppose.

[tuckrdout]

Difference. Same sex marriage is against nature, not just an attitude.

Racial discrimination bases it's belief on the natural color of skin, being somehow inferior. That is wrong. It is unfounded in nature. It is unreasonable.

Discrimination against un-natural sexual unions, is based in natural law. Male and female bodies were naturally formed to fit together in sexual union. Homosexuality is against the way nature intended. It is unnatural and unhealthy. The excretory system was not made to have things inserted into it. It was made to expel them. Nature gave us a natural aversion to the material which is expelled. It is not natural to find sexual gratification from that material. There is a balance in nature that is disturbed when this happens. This is naturally reasonable.

[PaxMacian]

We must defend the Constitution from those attempting to usurp it by seeking
powers to bestow a holy sacrament upon two people for there professed acts
of abomination and there oath to maintain these acts for the rest of their life.
What ever happened to separation of church and state? How, in fact,
can any state perpetuate such an outright fraud upon any two such citizens
seeking such a union as to allow them to believe that they are in any way blessed?

[happygrl]

The short-lived argument for "states-rights" made by the proponents of homosexual marriage is here shown to be the sham that we knew it to be.

The full faith and credit clause of the Constitution makes it impossible for one state to recognize a marriage, while other states do not.

Beyond same-sex marriage, which is against God's Law, lies advocacy for polygamy, which the European countries are already struggling with as immigrants form other cultures bring their multiple wives with them.

This is nothing less than an assault on 3500 years of our Judeo-Christian culture.

Please let me know when seccession begins, and which states plan to remain loyal to our civilization, which produced our Constitution.

When the Wall Street Journal phblishes such an editorial as this, its time to circle the wagons somewhere that we can live and teach our children the unchanging truth of Bible without being called hate-mongers, and bing charged with hate-crimes, as will become inevitable.

[happygrl]

Ping !

[Savage Beast]

Fortunately, the New York Times editorial board is part of the lunatic fringe and has essentially nothing to do with the American mainstream.

[Trillian]

http://www.frc.org/get.cfm?i=IF03H01&v=PRINT

"Isn't prohibiting homosexual "marriage" just as discriminatory as prohibiting interracial marriage, like some states used to do?

This analogy is not valid at all. Bridging the divide of the sexes by uniting men and women is both a worthy goal and a part of the fundamental purpose of marriage, common to all human civilizations.

Laws against interracial marriage, on the other hand, served only the purpose of preserving a social system of racial segregation. This was both an unworthy goal and one utterly irrelevant to the fundamental nature of marriage.

Allowing a black woman to marry a white man does not change the definition of marriage, which requires one man and one woman. Allowing two men or two women to marry would change that fundamental definition. Banning the "marriage" of same-sex couples is therefore essential to preserve the nature and purpose of marriage itself."

[WhiteyAppleseed]

What would have happened back whenever, if the mayor of some village began marrying couples with different skin colors? Were inter-racial couples married under a bronze Ten Commandments? Did the officiating mayor wear a Christian cross or a Star of David?

The Times editorial compared bans on same-sex “marriage” to bans on interracial marriage, which were struck down in 1967 by the U.S. Supreme Court.

I don't know, but I assume most of the religious congregations of the day wanted to keep the races separate. But I hazard to suggest that there were congregations that accepted inter-racial marriages. What were the arguments presented by the '67 Court?

[nmh]

"Tenn. (BP)–-If the New York Times editorial board is correct, then it is only a matter of time before the nation embraces same-sex “marriage.” "

Bull! These use this tactic all the time. They want you to believe that whatever you do it pointless. Not true. NOW is the time to ACT! the MAJORITY of people do NOT want this. You CAN make a difference before they did their heels in. Once they dig their heels in ... like the public school system, ... you will NOT be able to change them. As in the situation of the public school system it's too late to change them. All you can do their is demand vouchers and charter schools.

OTOH, Gay marriages CAN be stopped NOW. It's not that far along yet. The only reason they are doing this NOW is because it is an ELECTION YEAR and they are confident with their earlier success - "hate crime laws" that they CAN make this perversion legal.

YOU have to react just as LOUDLY as they are. They are the MINORITY. There are NOT many of them however they are screaming the LOUDEST and appealing to LIBERALS in positions of power. To fight them you must do the SAME THING NOW!

[WL-law]

A top-level New York Times reporter stated, a year or two ago, in passing on a TV talk show, that the ENTIRE editorial NY Times board is gay.

And they see nothing wrong with that.

[EdReform]

Ping & Bump

What We Can Do To Help Defeat the "Gay" Agenda

Homosexual Agenda: Categorical Index of Links (Version 1.1)

The Stamp of Normality

[nmh]

The ramifications of legalizing this hideous perversion are hard to quantify. I'll list a few:

1. Health insurance will SKY ROCKET with coverage for a an aids ridden "spouse". You will be paying MORE to subsidize their lifestyle choice - AIDS is expensive to treat and there is NO cure for it.

2.Public and liberal private schools will REQUIRE your children to ACCEPT this since it will be "legal". Any talk or belief against this WILL BE A CRIME. For example if I was to suggest to my daughter that assassinating a President is a good thing - I COULD BE ARRESTED! The same will apply here. Doubt me? Explain the "hate crime laws" and what sparked them - the killing of a homo!

3. Knowing public schools ..you child might be assigned a homo to be their "best friend" to prove they're just like everyone else ... or something like that. In other words YOUR CHILDREN will be FORCED to embrace them. While doing this you put YOUR STRAIGHT CHILD AT RISK. Doubt me? Look at California with how they embrace the Muslin - complete with giving them a Muslim name and role to play for school.

Now, you may get the idea. IF legalized marriage or "civil unions" are legalized for these perverts, society will accelerate in decline and will NOT recover. Legalizing homo unions is just the tip of the ice berg. Next will follow legalizing polygamy, bestiality, pedophilia ... BECAUSE legalizing the perversion of homosexuality OPENS THE DOORS TO OTHER SOCIAL ILLS. It would be hypocritical to discriminate AGAINST them so they too will be leagalized. LIBERALtarians will be a driving force on this since they lack boundaries when it comes to social mores.

[nmh]

"A top-level New York Times reporter stated, a year or two ago, in passing on a TV talk show, that the ENTIRE editorial NY Times board is gay."

THAT IS A FACT!

The NYT will do everything in its power to promote homo perversion since they are steeped in it.

[IronJack]

“This debate follows the same narrative arc as women’s liberation, racial integration, disability rights and every other march of marginalized Americans into the mainstream.

The difference is that all these causes advanced because of their moral weight. Discrimination in these cases was just plain wrong. It is logically incorrect to believe that women shouldn't vote or that blacks are inferior to whites. And that pretense tells on the conscience of a moral people until eventually resistance gives way and the right thing is done.

Not so with homosexuality. Homosexuality is the wrong, not discrimination against it. Thus, it has no moral weight, and discrimination is perfectly justified and justifiable.

In the minds of left-wing social engineers, homosexuality equates to civil rights and suffrage. But not in the minds -- and the hearts -- of Americans.

[Colonel_Flagg]

I suppose, over time, that Hell might freeze over, too. But I won't bet on either of these things happening.

[expatguy]

"We learn from history that we learn nothing from history…"

George Bernard Shaw.

One only has to read what has befallen previous societies and cultures to know what will happen to us if we follow this path.

"O Father of our city, whence came such wickedness among thy Latin shepherds? How did such a lust possess thy grandchildren, O Gradivus? Behold! Here you have a man of high birth and wealth being handed over in marriage to a man, and yet neither shakest thy helmet, nor smitest the earth with thy spear, nor yet protestest to thy Father?"

The Satires of Juvenal - 2

"...But how can we take precautions against the unnatural loves of either sex, from which innumerable evils have come upon individuals and cities? How shall we devise a remedy and way of escape out of so great a danger? Cleinias, here is a difficulty. In many ways Crete and Lacedaemon furnish a great help to those who make peculiar laws; but in the matter of love, as we are alone, I must confess that they are quite against us. For if any one following nature should lay down the law which existed before the days of Laius, and denounce these lusts as contrary to nature, adducing the animals as a proof that such unions were monstrous, he might prove his point, but he would be wholly at variance with the custom of your states. Further, they are repugnant to a principle which we say that a legislator should always observe; for we are always enquiring which of our enactments tends to virtue and which not. And suppose we grant that these loves are accounted by law to be honourable, or at least not disgraceful, in what degree will they contribute to virtue?...[sic]"

Plato's Laws - Book Eight

[Knuckle Sandwich Combo]

BORK ON GAY MARRIAGE AND THE FMA: Peter Robinson, former Reagan speechwriter and host of the television show "Uncommon Knowledge" interviewed Robert Bork on the program last week. If you have the time to read the entire interview, it's worth it. Here is an excerpt of the discussion concerning the Lawrence decision, the future of homosexual marriage and chances of the FMA:

Peter Robinson: "Do not believe it," says Scalia. "Today's opinion dismantles the structure of constitutional law that has permitted a distinction to be made between heterosexual and homosexual unions." A decade from now, will the Supreme Court have mandated homosexual marriage?

Judge Bork: I think it's less than a decade. Could happen in two ways. One is Massachusetts is about to announce a constitutional right under their constitution to homosexual marriage. At that point, people will come to Massachusetts, get married, go back to their home states. There is the full faith in credit clause, which says the other state, must give credit to the Massachusetts--there will be a fight about the constitutionality and an attempt to stop that. The other route--and that may spread across the country by state court action and by full faith and credit clause. The other route is direct appeal to the Supreme Court of the United States, which I think, is ready to give a right to homosexual marriage, at least will be ready in a few years.

The only way to stop this is--there is a proposed constitutional amendment saying that marriage is something between a man and a woman. And you--and no statute or constitutional claim may be interpreted to say same sex marriages is a marriage. Now it doesn't try to stop civil unions. If legislatures want to approve civil unions, it's up to them. I would oppose that but it's up to them.

But marriage itself is too important I think to be sacrificed in the way that homosexual marriage would do. Now it must be said that heterosexuals have already done enormous damage to the marriage with their laws about no-fault divorce and that kind of thing so that the whole blame for the damage to the current situation of marriage and the family is certainly not to fall on homosexuals. But this would be a decisive step I think.

Peter Robinson: Unless there's an amendment to the Constitution, the Court will indeed mandate homosexual marriage?

Judge Bork: I think so.

Peter Robinson: Do you then support such an amendment?

Judge Bork: Yeah.

Peter Robinson: You do? And do you think that such amendment is likely to pass?

Judge Bork: It's iffy. The fact is that the opposition to homosexual marriage is eroding in the public. There's still a majority doesn't like it, thinks it's bad. But percentages are not as high as they used to be. And that is, in part, because of a brilliant campaign homosexual activists have waged to convince us that homosexuality is just like heterosexuality, just a question of taste, question of preference and no difference. I think that's not true but it's having its effect and it may be that the public will not be sufficiently alarmed to adopt a constitutional amendment.

Peter Robinson: So it's iffy?

Judge Bork: Yeah.

[Knuckle Sandwich Combo]

More Bork:

Bork said that when John Adams wrote the Massachusetts Constitution "it seems unlikely that he contemplated any principle which could conceivably create a right to homosexual marriage."

What the state constitution did create was three different, albeit equally important branches of government, Bork declared, but "by a 4-3 vote, the Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court decided in Goodridge (vs. Department of Public Health) that the judicial power is also the legislative and the executive power."

" The state, in that respect, no longer has a government of laws, but one of four lawyers wearing robes," he continued.

Bork expressed dismay at the arguments used by the court to legalize gay marriage, calling them nothing but "vacuous theory ... that did not rise above the quality of a late-night philosophy session in a dormitory."

" A court majority took this decision from political correctness rather than law," he said. "Goodridge is a decision untethered to the federal or state constitution... If anything justifies the phrase 'judicial tyranny,' this one does."

According to Bork, the Massachusetts high court is not alone in making decisions which "are just not for the courts to decide."

" The U.S. Supreme Court is also guilty of judicial sin -- the willingness, even the eagerness to reach results by announcing principles that have no plausible relationship with the Constitution," he said.

Bork is a former federal appeals court judge and was solicitor general in the Justice Department 1972-77 and acting U.S. attorney general 1973-74. He has written several books, including "Slouching Towards Gomorrah: Modern Liberalism and American Decline."

He believes "judicial activism" stems from the "radical individualism which borders on nihilism" rampant throughout the country.

Absolute truths are no longer acceptable, he said. "Only the individual is allowed to decide what is meaningful to him."

Bork ended his talk by urging the legal professionals "to struggle (for the truth) even when the road seems long and the deck is stacked."

[BrucefromMtVernon]

Like The Washington Post, the New York Times is yet another piece of used toilet paper.