"The Passion" too violent? The "Shroud of Turin" shows it happened!

Though I'm not Catholic, I've studied the Shroud of Turin and watched a multitude of documentaries over the years about it. I've always been drawn to them, always fascinated by them. I believe the Shroud is what it is, "The Burial Cloth of Jesus Christ".

Which is why I found I HAD to pull research regarding it after seeing "The Passion of The Christ". I'm glad I did.

They say the movie is TOO VIOLENT. This article and Dr. Rabil's research only verified what we just watched. Jesus was flayed open by His scourging before He was cruxified.

But moreover.. Jesus was so brave, and He loved us all so much. But even more amazing He repeatedly said "FORGIVE THEM.. FORGIVE THEM.. FORGIVE THEM".

"Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do".

Even a person who does not realize WHO He is, should have walked away with "that" message alone". Especially in light of His torture and the brutality that was done to Him. Christians aren't the ones who are crying foul here. We are just retelling what happened to our precious Lord! How precious He is!!

There was NO anti-semetism in this movie. Jesus is a Jew "and" a Rabbi. It would be the epitomy of "IGNORANCE" to believe it was anti-semetic.

But it is so irrational to not come away with the overpowering feeling of LOVE, FORGIVENESS, and SACRIFICE this movie shows all of us.

I do not hate EVEN those who did this to Jesus. If He didn't, then how dare I?

But I wanted to point out that the Shroud, PROVES that the voilence that was bestowed upon Jesus, did indeed happen. 120 wounds on his back and calves, his right eye from his CAP of thorns, his nose. The Shroud tells a story. The MOVIE allowed us to really SEE and FEEL in very real ways, what our Father went through. My elderly parents (both in their 80's) said "They always knew Jesus was crucified, but they never really "felt" it like this. Though very devoted Christians. This movie changed the level of understanding for them. And they are really greatful for it.

He bore our sins.

I kept saying under my breath throughout the movie:

"Thank you Jesus".. "Thank you". "Oh no".. "Oh Jesus.. I'm so sorry"..and then again.. "Thank you Jesus" and "I love you Jesus"!

And at the end.. when HE LIVED AGAIN.. I said softly "PRAISE GOD"!!!

Did I cry at times. Yes. Mel Gibson did an excellent job of FINALLY putting a very human side to Jesus. And He was human! But I wasn't sobbing. Because there is also GREAT JOY to know He came here for us.

We "are" after all the sinners He died for. But I do not feel guilt. That isn't what Jesus wants for or from us. He is a LOVING Father. He wants so much more for us than that.

I'm just thankful that Mr. Gibson MADE this movie, and PRAY that it will counter all the EVIL that is against it, and that has been working in our society.

So I hope you will ping your friends to this article about the SHROUD OF TURIN.

IMHO it is "PROOF" that the violence that was done to Jesus did happen.

And this movie is PROOF that Jesus FORGAVE His enemies and those who crucified Him.

Wouldn't it be nice if say those in the Middle East could LEARN from a movie like this?

FRegards FRiends

1 posted on 03/04/2004 2:19:56 PM PST by Vets_Husband_and_Wife

To: truthandlife; MeekOneGOP; Jim Robinson; wirestripper; TexasCowboy; M0sby; TEXOKIE; giznort; ...

2 posted on 03/04/2004 2:25:49 PM PST by Vets_Husband_and_Wife

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3 posted on 03/04/2004 2:27:08 PM PST by agooga

To: Vets_Husband_and_Wife

Excellent posting. Great story, and great commentary.

4 posted on 03/04/2004 2:27:34 PM PST by dangus

Don't think so. Now, the heads (6 of 'em) of John the Baptist are fake.

5 posted on 03/04/2004 2:30:28 PM PST by annyokie (There are two sides to every argument, but I'm too busy to listen to yours.)

6 posted on 03/04/2004 2:31:11 PM PST by madison10

To: Vets_Husband_and_Wife

Carbon dating shows the shroud to be from 1350-ish, just before it was discovered.

7 posted on 03/04/2004 2:35:23 PM PST by theDentist (Boston: So much Liberty, you can buy a Politician already owned by someone else.)

Many want it to be.

Like any other artifact, they debunk it for various reasons.

personally, I would like it to be legitimate, if only for the reason that so few of the things that were saved from that era have survived.

8 posted on 03/04/2004 2:35:58 PM PST by Cold Heat (In politics stupidity is not a handicap. --Napoleon Bonapart)

The "Carbon dating" showed the 1350 due it (The Shroud) being in a fire.

9 posted on 03/04/2004 2:37:29 PM PST by madison10

To: Vets_Husband_and_Wife

It'd be nice if it was real, though I've never seen anything to really indicate that it is.

10 posted on 03/04/2004 2:38:51 PM PST by Sloth (We cannot defeat foreign enemies of the Constitution if we yield to the domestic ones.)

That's your opinion. I disagree!

11 posted on 03/04/2004 2:39:39 PM PST by Vets_Husband_and_Wife

To: Vets_Husband_and_Wife

By the way: Has anyone ever taken a DNA sample from the Shroud? DNA does give a lot of info about the person's heritage, true?

12 posted on 03/04/2004 2:39:42 PM PST by theDentist (Boston: So much Liberty, you can buy a Politician already owned by someone else.)

"Anyone who still believes that C14 dating has proven the Shroud to be medieval should be quickly disabused of that notion. See the most recent report by Garza Valdes re-printed on www.shroud.com concerning "bio- plastic coating" he found on Shroud fibers, in sufficient quantity to throw the date WAY off. This organic material would of course be younger than the linen itself and would not have been removed in pretreatment."

Just some stuff expaining what could be a error..........Or not......LOL!

13 posted on 03/04/2004 2:40:05 PM PST by Cold Heat (In politics stupidity is not a handicap. --Napoleon Bonapart)

Thanks. We are seeing the movie AGAIN in about an hour!

14 posted on 03/04/2004 2:40:15 PM PST by Vets_Husband_and_Wife

I believe that theory has not been duplicated. It's a possibility, but remains unproven. In their defense, it's very difficult to recreate the environment in which the burns/smoke impacted the shroud. But the older elements of the pieces tested would have revealed an earlier date.

15 posted on 03/04/2004 2:41:58 PM PST by theDentist (Boston: So much Liberty, you can buy a Politician already owned by someone else.)

Its just a cloth real or not. Try not to focus on the object so much and focus on Christ and his Message.

16 posted on 03/04/2004 2:42:31 PM PST by smith288 (http://www.ejsmithweb.com/FR/JohnKerry/)

From what I understand, there is no "absolute" accurate way to "date" something that old. We have a very close friend who is an Archeologist with a PHD. She said that this investigation has been extremely thorough, and they cannot disprove the research that has been done on this.

I don't know if you've seen any documentaries on this, but the pictures (they are actually negatives) of the Turin are breath taking! You actually see the face of Jesus!

17 posted on 03/04/2004 2:44:29 PM PST by Vets_Husband_and_Wife

To: wirestripper

"bio- plastic coating"; he found on Shroud fibers

Not only is there a bio-plastic coating, but the plant pollen/pieces found in the Shroud are from the Middle-East & two of them are indigenous only to Israel.

18 posted on 03/04/2004 2:44:55 PM PST by madison10

Then I suggest when you see "any" documentaries about this subject to watch them. We have been for over a decade now. They are fascinating.

19 posted on 03/04/2004 2:45:40 PM PST by Vets_Husband_and_Wife

Well, the blood is AB negative, the same as on the crown of thorns in Paris which was also "acquired" during the crusades.

20 posted on 03/04/2004 2:47:02 PM PST by Desdemona (Music Librarian and provider of cucumber sandwiches, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary. Hats required.)

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