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Seafaring Clue To First Americans
BBC ^ | 2-26-2004 | Paul Rincon

Posted on 02/26/2004 11:45:19 AM PST by blam

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To: Eva
> The problem is especially complicated when we are talking about beaches that have been habitated continuously since prehistoric times.

Mmm-hmm :) And then if a tool is handed down as a family heirloom from one generation to the next, its origin may come from a different date than the site where it's found--I know this is an issue with dating Egyptian scarabs. I imagine there's quite a few variables like that which can come into play.

21 posted on 02/26/2004 1:22:42 PM PST by Fedora
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To: expat_panama
Very interesting. I can definitely see how the pressure/desire to find the "oldest/most advanced" affects things. I share your irritation at how the static drowns out real discoveries. I often wish I could see the raw data from finds minus the surrounding theories so I can see for myself what the basis of the conclusions being drawn is, but it seems that unless one digs very deep into the literature often all that's available is a summary of the conclusions.
22 posted on 02/26/2004 1:29:59 PM PST by Fedora
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To: blam
I just bookmark it on FR. (see the links on my profile page..a lot I just remember) Some of it disappears as JimRob 'cleans-house' when he has a copyright complaint.

Thanks--will have to work through all those links :) What I've started thinking of doing lately to help organize my own files is an Excel spreadsheet where I can cross-reference finds from different regions at the same time, then maybe once I've got that I'll expand it into a database with some graphic supplements keyed to maps. Recently I've been looking at the format of the Smithsonian Timelines of the Ancient World which uses a visual layout I'm finding helpful.

23 posted on 02/26/2004 1:43:00 PM PST by Fedora
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To: blam
Believeable dating is the only thing that keeps this site from completely reshaping what our knowledge of human history. Calico: A 200,000 Year Old Site In The Americas?

There was a book by an anthropologist back in the 1970s or early 80s advancing the hypothesis that Homo Sapiens spread from America to Eurasia rather than vice versa. Unfortunately I will have to dig to find the title, but meanwhile I'll toss that out in case someone else remembers it. In light of the Calico site it seems like the book might be worth reviewing.

24 posted on 02/26/2004 1:51:23 PM PST by Fedora
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To: blam
The cylindrical rock is not actually a petrified anything, I was just using the word to describe the shape. It is very, very smooth, but that could be from rolling in the tidal water. I am pretty sure it must be some sort of pestle, a sharpening stone or fire making tool.
25 posted on 02/26/2004 1:53:11 PM PST by Eva
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To: blam
Believeable dating

IMO that link is a really good example of a really bad example. Thanks for the info.

26 posted on 02/26/2004 1:59:12 PM PST by expat_panama
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To: Fedora
Homo Sapiens spread from America to Eurasia

Jared Diamond did a fairly decent job of plotting humanity's growth in "Guns, Germs, and Steel".  He accepted the mainstream ideas but within a very well reasoned structure.

27 posted on 02/26/2004 2:06:13 PM PST by expat_panama
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To: Fedora

This is a good book about the whole region including Calico. I thought it was very good.

28 posted on 02/26/2004 2:08:27 PM PST by blam
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To: expat_panama; blam
>Homo Sapiens spread from America to Eurasia

Jared Diamond did a fairly decent job of plotting humanity's growth in "Guns, Germs, and Steel". He accepted the mainstream ideas but within a very well reasoned structure.

Thanks, I will check that out.

BTW I just found the book I was trying to remember:

Jeffrey Goodman, American Genesis (originally published New York: Summit Books, 1981)

Here's a summary from a link with a bibliography on related literatue:

From Goodman's American Genesis to Deloria's Red Earth, White Lies: Where American Indians came from

Goodman, Jeffrey. American Genesis

In this book, Goodman proposes a much earlier date of human occupation in the Americas. He believes in the possibility of an American genesis, the idea that human first appeared in the Americas.

29 posted on 02/26/2004 2:39:25 PM PST by Fedora
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To: blam
This is a good book about the whole region including Calico. I thought it was very good.

Thanks, I've never read that one--will add it to my ever-expanding to-read list :)

30 posted on 02/26/2004 2:42:11 PM PST by Fedora
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To: blam
People in North America were voyaging by sea some 8,000 years ago, boosting a theory that some of the continent's first settlers arrived there by boat.

These first settlers were 100% homosexual and ended up in the San Francisco area. Which is why they left no descendants.

31 posted on 02/26/2004 3:37:26 PM PST by curmudgeonII (I don't have any children. And my parents didn't either.)
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To: Eva
The Cylindrical Rock:

- shaped like a hot dog
- rounded on the ends
- very smooth
- surprisingly light in weight

I'd bet it belonged to some ancient woman whose husband was absent for long periods of time.

32 posted on 02/26/2004 3:43:25 PM PST by Mackey (Like it or not, we *are* in a religious war with islamists.)
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To: EggsAckley
"I just love these articles you post! With all the smarmy and tawdry news these days, it is so refreshing to read articles such as this. "

Ditto. Please keep them coming. It's interesting and refreshing.
33 posted on 02/26/2004 4:26:51 PM PST by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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Not a ping, just a GGG update.
Please FREEPMAIL me if you want on, off, or alter the "Gods, Graves, Glyphs" PING list --
Archaeology/Anthropology/Ancient Cultures/Artifacts/Antiquities, etc.
The GGG Digest
-- Gods, Graves, Glyphs (alpha order)

34 posted on 03/30/2005 10:45:43 PM PST by SunkenCiv (last updated my FreeRepublic profile on Friday, March 25, 2005.)
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To: blam; Swordmaker

Blam, a bttt for your topic. SM, I think you live somewhere in California?

Archaeologist To Debunk Beliefs About North America’s Original Settlers
California Polytechnic State University
http://calpolynews.calpoly.edu/news_releases/2005/may_05/raab.html

[snip] Archaeologist Mark Raab will present "The Peopling of North America -- Ice Age Mariners and Archaeology's New Frontier" from 7-9 p.m. Wednesday, May 18, Business Building Rotunda (Room 213). [unsnip]


35 posted on 05/18/2005 10:27:17 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (FR profiled updated Tuesday, May 10, 2005. Fewer graphics, faster loading.)
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36 posted on 05/18/2005 10:32:00 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (FR profiled updated Tuesday, May 10, 2005. Fewer graphics, faster loading.)
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To: Coyoteman

See the link in post #35...out your way.


37 posted on 05/18/2005 11:04:51 AM PDT by blam
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To: blam
Hi--

Thanks for the heads up. I have heard Mark's presentation in other meetings. Good stuff.

By the way, Mark was awarded the Lifetime Achievement Award at this year's meetings about three weeks ago--well deserved.

38 posted on 05/18/2005 4:20:07 PM PDT by Coyoteman
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To: blam

Hmmm. I found 3 very similar rocks (tools) in Tennessee.
I didnt know what they were but knew that chances were that they were not just rocks (naturally formed).
I still have them.
Interesting


39 posted on 05/18/2005 4:23:30 PM PDT by SealSeven
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