1 posted on
02/19/2004 3:40:35 PM PST by
missyme
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-20, 21-40, 41-51 next last
To: missyme
After reading many of the comments.
I think Mel wasted his money on the so call experts. He should have pocketed his money and join us on the internet for advise. O'well, maybe the next time.
To: missyme
I say a program on the History channel awhile back that showed that person cruxified by having nails driven through their hands AND their feet could remain suspended on a cross for several days. Due to the support provided by the nail being driven through the feet.
55 posted on
02/19/2004 4:17:39 PM PST by
Tempest
(Sigh.. ....)
To: missyme
While I do not accept the Bible as the Word of God, I do accept it as a reasonably accurate history document. The fact the story of the nailing to the cross comes directly from Christ's contemporaries tells me that there must be some truth to the story.
I also understand that there is a lot of historical evidence that Roman crucifixion was performed with nails through the wrist and shin bones. My guess is that the nails through the hands and feet were inventions of latter biblical transcribers.
60 posted on
02/19/2004 4:24:50 PM PST by
Jeff Gordon
(arabed - verb: lower in esteem; hurt the pride of [syn: mortify, chagrin, humble, abase, humiliate])
To: missyme
How many angels can you fit on the head of a pin?
--recovering catholic
61 posted on
02/19/2004 4:25:14 PM PST by
MonroeDNA
(Soros is the enemy.)
To: missyme
I wonder how many of the liberal scholars like Crossan complained about historical inaccuracies or unverifiable assumptions in "The Last Temptation of Christ"?
62 posted on
02/19/2004 4:26:47 PM PST by
Steve_Seattle
("Above all, shake your bum at Burton.")
To: missyme
Zias said the question of whether Jesus was nailed to the cross or simply tied to it remains a mystery. "There is no evidence whatsoever he was nailed," he said. "The Gospels say he was crucified and leave it at that." WOW! Isn't it amazing how one gets to be a scholar. No work at all, just say what you want. I don't know if Thomas was at the crucifixtion, but now doubt he knows what happened. Here from the book of John, chapter 20 is what he says:
24Now Thomas (called Didymus), one of the Twelve, was not with the disciples when Jesus came. 25 So the other disciples told him, "We have seen the Lord!" But he said to them, "Unless I see the nail marks in his hands and put my finger where the nails were, and put my hand into his side, I will not believe it."
63 posted on
02/19/2004 4:28:24 PM PST by
feedback doctor
(Note to Biblical Scholars - Don't believe everything you think)
To: missyme
These attempts to debate the details are sophomoric parlor exercises that (I think intentionally) miss the bigger issue. What possible difference can it make to the larger event -- the redemption of Mankind -- if Christ's cross was "T-shaped" or other?
I suspect these arguments are a supplanting of wisdom with erudition, a strategic scheme to avoid the story's eternal lesson.
64 posted on
02/19/2004 4:31:46 PM PST by
IronJack
To: missyme
Probably already posted; I haven't read all of the comments yet....
Greek definition of crucify: staurow // stauroo // stow-ro'-o //
1) to stake, drive down stakes
2) to fortify with driven stakes, to palisade
73 posted on
02/19/2004 4:47:47 PM PST by
Maria S
("I will do whatever the Americans want…I saw what happened in Iraq, and I was afraid." Gaddafi, 9/03)
To: missyme
This article quotes the evil apostate Crossan, now a bitter enemy of anything Christian.
75 posted on
02/19/2004 4:49:49 PM PST by
Chris Talk
(What Earth now is, Mars once was. What Mars now is, Earth will become.)
To: missyme
They should get some cheese with their whine.
To: missyme
Zias does not know what he is talking about. The Bible states that he had nail prints in his hands and feet which could be his wrists and ankles as they are part of the the hands and feet. The tests conducted with cadavers putting the nails through the wrists did hold up.
To: missyme
Perhaps these so-called "scholars" should learn to read before they try to teach us about anything;
So the other disciples told him, "We have seen the Lord!" But he said to them, "Unless I see the nail marks in his hands and put my finger where the nails were, and put my hand into his side, I will not believe it." (Whole Chapter: John 20 In context: John 20:24-26)
Acts 2:23 This man was handed over to you by God's set purpose and foreknowledge; and you, with the help of wicked men,[ 2:23 Or of those not having the law (that is, Gentiles)] put him to death by nailing him to the cross. (Whole Chapter: Acts 2 In context: Acts 2:22-24)
Colossians 2:14 having canceled the written code, with its regulations, that was against us and that stood opposed to us; he took it away, nailing it to the cross. (Whole Chapter: Colossians 2 In context: Colossians 2:13-15)
96 posted on
02/19/2004 7:00:47 PM PST by
Jorge
To: missyme
This would be valid except for the account of Simon needing to see the NAIL HOLES in Jesus' hands. Unless I am mistaken, it is difficult for rope to cause nailholes except in extreme circumstances.
Correct me if I am wrong.
To: missyme
"There is no evidence whatsoever he was nailed," he said. "The Gospels say he was crucified and leave it at that." "For dogs have compassed me: the assembly of the wicked have inclosed me: they pierced my hands and my feet." -- Psalms 22:16 which foretold the suffering of the Messiah.
"And again another scripture saith, They shall look on him whom they pierced." -- John 19:37 pointing out how this prophecy was fulfilled. The prophecy was in Zechariah 12:10.
"Then saith he [Christ] to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing. " -- John 20:27 where Jesus is talking to Thomas (Doubting Tom) because Thomas did not believe that Jesus had rose from the dead.
So, Mr. Scholar, was Christ nailed to that cross or not?
103 posted on
02/19/2004 8:44:11 PM PST by
rdb3
(Beware of the hand when it's comin' from the left; I ain't trippin' just watch ya step)
To: missyme
Some scholars say even the most widely recognized features of the crucifixion, such as the shape of the cross and the use of nails, are open to debate.Ready, set, GO! - eh?
105 posted on
02/19/2004 8:50:52 PM PST by
Libloather
(Charter member - VRWC - # EIB-04151982)
To: missyme
picky picky picky
110 posted on
02/19/2004 10:18:53 PM PST by
mercy
To: missyme
If they were not there to witness, they can shut up.
117 posted on
02/20/2004 8:28:35 AM PST by
cynicom
To: missyme
Do none of these scholars hear the words of Paul, whose writings are probably the earliest Christian source for what the church believed? Colossians 2:14 says,"Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;" which clearly speaks of Jesus being nailed to the cross.
121 posted on
02/20/2004 8:49:48 AM PST by
man of Yosemite
("When a man decides to do something everyday, that's about when he stops doing it.")
To: missyme
"There is no evidence whatsoever he was nailed," he said. "The Gospels say he was crucified and leave it at that." Thomas felt the scars of our Lord, and it is quite plainly described in the Gospel of John, as well as this the Gospels specifically state that Jesus showed his "hands and feet" to the disciples when He appears - documented in all the Gospels.
He said experiments on cadavers carried out by the Catholic Church in the Middle Ages have shown that people hanging with nails through their hands will fall to the ground within a relatively short time, pulled by gravity.
Wrong. Driving a nail through the palmer surface of the hand between the Scaphoid and Lunate bones would give plenty of support (also misses any major arteries), plus the arms of the condemned could have also been easily tied to the cross.
122 posted on
02/20/2004 8:52:39 AM PST by
realpatriot71
("But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise . . ." (I Cor. 1:27))
To: missyme
"Scholars: Crucifixion Portrayal Inaccurate"
Ok...all of you "scholars" who were there...please stand up.
130 posted on
02/20/2004 10:34:30 AM PST by
FrankR
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-20, 21-40, 41-51 next last
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson