U.S. Says Files Seek Qaeda Aid in Iraq Conflict

New York Times ^ | 1/9/04 | Dexter Filkins

[OXENinFLA]

a vial of live C. botulinum Okra B, IS the batter.

[OXENinFLA]

That's how I understand how BIO-cultures grow, I could be wrong.

But from what I remember from Science class all you need is a very small amount of base culture in order to create more of that base.

[Cap Huff]

I don't know about "too good to be true" but I do sense there is a lot of dissonance in the story.

We are told that Zarqawi wrote this document suggesting attacks on Iraqi Shiites to stir up trouble with Iraqi Sunnis (the hotbed of Baath holdouts). Zarqawi may be in Iraq, but as recently as a couple of weeks ago there were reports that he may be in (Shiite) Iran.

The article begins to suggest that maybe Ghul was the guy who had the CD with the letter on it. But Ghul was arrested while entering Northern Iraq from Iran:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1073476/posts?page=9#9

Iran is where an Ansar al-Islam (an organization associated with Zarqawi) guy named Warzir Ali Wali Mamoyi was coming from when he got nabbed near Sulaiymaniya. It was also reported that he was going to the "Sunni Triangle area, possibly to link up with anti-U.S. insurgents from the former regime of Saddam Hussein."

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/iraq/2004-02-07-iraq_x.htm

Add in that curious story about Iraqi Shiite leader al-Sistani escaping an assassination attempt that later didn't happen at all. . . . Well, something funny is going on or being reported.

The dissonance may only be in my mind, but my guess is that there is a lot of disinformation being sent out. In my mind taken as a whole it is too garbled to be the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.

[FBD]

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[Mo1]

But from what I remember from Science class all you need is a very small amount of base culture in order to create more of that base.

It's been YEARS since school .. but I think you are correct

I'm also reminded of that tape recordings of Iraqi Guards that Powell played at the UN and moving stuff

[Mo1]

a vial of live C. botulinum Okra B, IS the batter.

Very possible, but it could also be the yeast that helps it get bigger

[Ernest_at_the_Beach]

Can they really be this thick headed??

You can see examples of that right here on this forum.

[justshutupandtakeit]

YOu mean other than the lie that no evidence of prior contacts between AQ and Saddam having been found?

[justshutupandtakeit]

There is far more persuasive evidence. Mainly the attacks on Iraqis which has been a persistent concern.

They have been doing what this writer claims.

Actions speak far louder than words.

[BurbankKarl]

Plus it suggest to AQ that the old CD messenger trick may not work any more. They will start carrying 8 tracks.



>>>The messenger is probably a nobody, but nobody can lead us to a sorta somebody, and the sorta somebody can lead us to a somebody, etc.

[Dog]

The messenger is probably a nobody, but nobody can lead us to a sorta somebody, and the sorta somebody can lead us to a somebody, etc.

That is how we will get Bin Laden..

[Cap Huff]

This article wants to lead us to believe that Ghul was the guy carrying the CD:

"The Americans declined to identify the suspect. But the discovery of the disc coincides with the arrest of Hassan Ghul, a Pakistani described by American officials at the time as a courier for the Qaeda network."

Something doesn't add up. Ghul is also supposed to have been nabbed in N. Iraq while entering from Iran.

Maybe I'm reading something wrong here.

[Dog]

I saw what you wrote up the thread and went and checked....I found several articles on the Ghul capture.....one had him caught somewhere in Iraq another had him caught coming in thru Iran.

I think I know where the CD came from...remember the right hand guy of Zarqawi we caught in the Sunni triangle......that is where it came from.....there is a bit of a misdirection going on by our intel troops here.

They infer Ghul had it...

[Dog]

Also remember they located one Zarqawi's safehouses in Baghdad......and removed a block of cyanide salt and a bomb he was making.

I think we are closer to get him then they are letting on in the media.

We have his number 2 and we have Ghul.......and we have this CD.

[Cap Huff]

I sure hope we are very close. I remember that safe house and the cyanide salt. At the time I said that the real interesting part of the story was who's safe house it was, not so much the cyanide (which is nevertheless of some interest). Then later you pointed out that bomb making equipment was also taken. I suddenly had a thought that I may remember something about there also being computer stuff, but a quick look at one of the cyanide stories has nothing about a computer (but that doesn't mean there wasn't one! with a CD).

I'm also beginning to speculate that the on again, off again assassination attempt on al-Sistani is reflected in this letter story.

[Dog]

I'm also beginning to speculate that the on again, off again assassination attempt on al-Sistani is reflected in this letter story.

How so?

[Dog]

What if Hassan Ghul wasn't entering Iraq.......but leaving.

The capture of the Zarqawi aide was on Jan 15th....they had him for roughly two weeks before it broke we had him.

Husam al-Yemeni

In another major break, US forces captured Husam al-Yemeni, the leader of an Ansar al-Islam cell in Fallujah, on January 15, said another US official. "He is the most senior Ansar al-Islam person that’s been caught to date," said the official.

Al-Yemeni is considered the number two to Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, a Jordanian with links to al-Qaeda who has emerged as the leader of Ansar al-Islam, a militant group originally based in Kurdistan but which US military officials has established operations in the Baghdad area.

[Cap Huff]

I have no grand theory, but FWIW:

Somebody wanted people to think an assassination attempt had been made, hence the story came out. I think it reasonable to speculate that there was some truth behind the story. That’s perhaps when our guys brought al-Sistani into the loop on the contents of the letter (at least what our guys want him to see) and he realizes the full scope of how dangerous al-Qaeda has become to his own political ambitions. Maybe he sees that his organization has been penetrated by al-Zarqawi’s people. He and his inner circle decide to try to hush the incident up – seems kind of clumsy to us, but maybe it was the best they could do.

Nevertheless, the al-Sistani story being retracted in less than 24 hours, and now this story about plans to incite trouble between Shiites and Sunnis is a bit of a coincidence that jumps out at me.

[Cap Huff]

Yes, leaving Iraq makes more sense in context.

By the way, thanks for reminding me that the news of al-Yemeni took two weeks to come out. We're still waiting for the name of the guy taken in Karachi, and also the names of the two key people close to Saddam who were taken Friday. I need to be more patient.

[self_evident]

I hate it when my files go out recruiting terrorists.

Lol. That's what I thought when I read the headline. Luckily, my files only recruit dust.