Ex-atheist describes near-death experience

Standard-Times ^ | 1/31/2004 | LINDA ANDRADE RODRIGUES

[Quix]

IMPRESSIVE. THX

[Quix]

BEAUTIFUL. THX!

[GrandMoM]

....VERY INTERESTING SITE!

....bookmarked to read more later. Thanks

[Quix]

ABSOLUTELY CORRECT AND WELL SAID.

[Quix]

THANKS.

[Mulder]

I personally haven't experienced anything like some of things people have posted here.

Yet I believe these things happened. Too many people have the same or similar experiences to simply dismiss it as a myth or other nonsense.

You don't have to personally experience something to believe it occurred.

[Quix]

The Bible says:

It is appointed unto man, once to die, and after death, the judgment.

We do NOT know God's definitions of each word or phrase in that sentence. We don't even know if God adjusts His definitions in a tailor made way to each individual. We just don't know a lot of things about the moment of death.

There are stories of reliable Believers which are interesting but not the same as Canon Scripture.

I am confident that Roland Buck was right. Other convincing believers have said similar things and how shocked they were when God told them.

But all such is still GOD'S DOMAIN. It is hideously presumptive to think everyone will have a chance at the point of death to decide again. The Scriptures AND EVEN THE REPORT OF FOLKS LIKE ROLAND BUCK POINT OUT THAT SUCH IS ****NOT**** THE CASE.

One had best insure that one is on God's side NOW.

None of us have the promise of tomorrow chisled in stone from Mt Sinai.

I have felt that The Scripture about Believers being able to forgive and it being forgiven in Heaven may be one route which allows SOME to have an opportunity to choose at THE POINT OF death. But it's not something I'd try and make a doctrine. It's just a personal convinction which I believe God has given me insight on. I believe it's true. But it's not anything I'd want anyone to risk anything on--especially eternal life.

But I do forgive a long list of people and types of people at the slightest leading in my spirit. I want to give God every opportunity to apply that Scripture about whatsoever we forgive, being forgiven.

[Quix]

Can easily identify with that.

[Quix]

Touched by your narrative.

Deep conversations were never really a very viable option with my mother. And now with her Alzheimer's much more so.

But, my HOPE IS IN GOD. And in the eternity when many conversations can occur.

[Quix]

FOR SURE.

[CommandoFrank]

Wasn't it Albert Einstein who on his death bed, sat up and said "It's beautiful" just before expiring?

[Quix]

You are making

PRESUMPTIVE ASSUMPTIONS

about how God construes

"ONCE"

and

"THE JUDGMENT" in that Scripture.

A rather hazardous thing to do.

I doubt God has told you WHEN HE applies the ONCE to a given individuals dying incidents.

I'm very sure God has NOT told YOU when HE arranges a given individual's LAST JUDGMENT.

That one Scripture is hardly sufficient info to build a whole elaborate, emphatic, fossilized doctrine on.

It's just a clue or 3--and a sobering one--that we ought not take for granted the next moment. We all ought to treat each day, hour, minute as potentially our last.

I believe THAT is the purpose of that Scripture.

I doubt seriously it was intended as any serious treatment of The Father's DOCTRINES about dying or THE JUDGMENT. I believe it was an encouragment to treat

TODAY AS THE DAY OF SALVATION.

IF that was HIS PURPOSE IN THAT SCRIPTURE, using it to shoehorn in one's own biases about doctrine around death and jugment is at least likely to be seen as a little cheeky, from God's perspective.

[Quix]

GROPE, GROPE, GROPE.

Evidently you are illogically addicted out of habit to a TYPE I error and quite comfortable suffering the ill consequences of a TYPE II error.

Perhaps you've not suffered seriously from a major TYPE II error. That could explain your evident dellusion that a TYPE II error will cost you little or nothing.

Quite illogical.

[Zeroisanumber]

The story is bogus. We know there is no supernatural, because it does not show up on instruments. So it's not there. He was on drugs, and hallucinated.

He stopped breathing and his brain went in to oxygen deprivation. He hallucinated. Whatever life-changing experience he had, and whatever big booga-booga he thought he saw has nothing to do with knowledge of the afterlife and everything to do with a brain trying to deal with serious trauma.

[Quix]

WONDERFULLY STATED.

[plain talk]

Right. There's nothing in the Bible that I know of that says an agnostic or aetheist can be saved after death. Of course with God anything is possible but we sure don't want make up theology that doesn't exist. As you say, we need to confess our sins and give ourself to Christ while alive on this earth.

[Quix]

WHAT A GROSSLY UNSCIENTIFIC SET OF PRESUMPTIVE ASSUMPTIONS!!!

WHERE was your platform, perspective OUTSIDE of DEATH AND LIFE

from which you performed your

thoroughly logical and rigorous

EXPERIMENTS

to disprove the above.

Oh, that's right--you're still alive--so, you don't know

DIDDLY SQUAT SCIENTIFICALLY about such on which to base your presumptive assumptions.

You don't even seem to have the benefit of the scientific studies of subject controlled research into such reports.

Yet you pontificate so emphatically.

Sad.

Haven't heard of God building a lot of mansions for the arrogant in Heaven.

[Quix]

Yes. That must be the rational focus.

Especially in terms of Scripture.

Though, there is nothing in Scripture that says God can't do WHAT HE WANTS, CONSISTENT WITH HIS NATURE AND WORD--as well.

[Ciexyz]

...I am convinced our little special boy met The Lord, and the Lord smiled on him!

"Jesus loves the little children, all the children of the world.
Whether yellow, black or white, they are precious in his sight,
Jesus loves the little children of the world!"

[MHGinTN]

"We know there is no supernatural, because it does not show up on instruments. Interesting to find the refutation of an argument right in the middle of the argument ...