Punitive measures of German KFOR against Serbian monks

Tanjug ^ | February 3, 2004

[GeraldP]

-so much for the KLA's race hatred which GeraldP promotes.

I speak of dialogue, you speak of conspiracy.
I speak of peace, you speak of "Albanian terrorism".
I speak of freedom and a people's right to self determination, you speak of a glorified history from 700 years ago.

Your accusation is false and baseless.

[GeraldP]

Despite the deeply contrasting views held, and the accusations, and the personal attacks, we do hold some semblance of politeness here.

You, however, have done nothing more than sling mud at everyone. Let's see if you can write a whole post without using the first or second person.

[vooch]

GeraldP

You specifically promote the KLA agenda.

In this thread, when the subject came up that the Monks served local Albanians, you suggested that was impossible implying that Albanian Muslims would never associate with a Othodox Christians Monestary.

This is the attitude which promted KLA Major General Rustem Mustafa (aka Remi) to murder Pristina Albanians who sent their children to mixed ethnic schools.

This is the attitude which promted KLA Commander Drini to murder 6 Albanian Merchants in Prizern because they sold wares to non-Albanians.

This is the attitude which promted KLA Major General Ramush to chuick a hand grenade in the Panda Cafe killing 6 teenagers while they were drinking cokes. Their crime was visiting a Cafe in which the different ethnic groups would mix.

This is the attitude which promted KLA Commander Buja to gang press a few dozen villagers from the anti-KLA village of Racak and force them into the front lines. At least one Albanian villager who refused to be gangpressed appears to have been shot inside his home.

This is the attitide which promted the Commander of the 162nd KLA 'Brigade' to attack the villages of Kacanik & Kotlina murdering the loyalist Albanian militia members defending their homes.

The KLA focuses on people's ethnicity to the exclusion of all else. The outsiders from the KLA invaded Kosovo and Metohija and forced the local Albanians to toe the racist KLA line or be executed as race traitors.

You promote the KLA race based agenda and use their analysis.

[DTA]

Perhaps destruction of 100+ Christian churches is conspiracy theory in your Albanian dictionary, perhaps murdering of people on the street because they speak bulgarian or serbian is something Albanians call dialogue, perhapsexpelling the rightful owners of the land and the legal citizens in order to steal their real estate is something you call freedom.

It is your right to say whatever you please.

But do not expect that your views can be shared by freedom loving and law abiding people.

GeraldP, you do not speak of freedom and dialogue, you speak of "Feja e shqiptarit eshte Shqiptaria", you speak of Albainian racism.

If you did not exists, "serb apologists" should invent you.

[blau993]

Actually, the portion of my post which you quoted ended with a question -- a question, I might add, that neither you nor any of the other Serbophiles seem willing to answer.

[GeraldP]

The KLA is no more. The Kosova Liberation Army was a popular uprising, in response to Milosevic's brutality. When the Serb military left in 1999, the KLA disbanded.

It seems the Palestinians have made it hard for any other peoples to be legitimate freedom fighters without being labeled terrorists, yet that is exactly what the KLA was.
But it is easier for you yo have a bullseye to throw your accusations at, so you keep speaking of the KLA.

-In this thread, when the subject came up that the Monks served local Albanians, you suggested that was impossible implying that Albanian Muslims would never associate with a Othodox Christians Monestary.

This merely shows your ignorance. I am an Orthodox and have on several occasions had Muslim friends come to church with me.

[DTA]

>>>>>Note that Daniel Pearl exposed the KLA as liars in the WSJ and a few years later he is murdered by Al-Queeda. hmmmmm<<<<

Kosovo was a con job from the beggining. Abramowitz, Holbrooke, Albright were into it from the early nineties. They used allegedly independent NGOs and media to spread the con. And it worked like charm. Many joined in, out of finacial gain, the psychological need to be "in" or out of sheer stupidity.

The lies worthy of Hitler and Goebels followed:

Genocide
Roasted babies
Raped Albanian boys
Serbs forcibly taking Blood
Internal organs being taken for black market
100,000 Albanians unaccounted for
Pristina stadium
Serb Mig bombing refugees

And the biggest lie of them all, the holocaust revisionist dream, Trepca crematoria

Analyzed together, they are the insight into the the sick mind. Very sick mind.

After the war, thousands of media flocked to Kosovo. The tall stories of attrocities flourished. At the same time, those present were blind-deaf-and mute for the real ethnic cleansing and murders going on around them. Drugs were cheap, underage sex easily available and the pay for telling lies was good, so why rock the boat.

A select few did.

CANADIAN CBC admitted being conned by KLA terrorists American liberal Alphabet soup remained silent. Hear no evil, see no evil but continue to speak evil.

German WDR addmitted KOSOVO was a BIG LIE from the start

Daniel Pearl was no Serb friend and can not be labelled as 'serb apologist'. Pearl came to Kosovo to write about alleged Serb crimes, about "genocide". In the process, he figuered out

he was conned. Unlike others, Daniel Pearl was decent to admit it.

And he ended with his head chopped off, just like many Serbs in Bosnia and Kosovo.

As a group, Freepers were not duped by Clintonist/KLA con from the very beggining. Freepers warned of 911-like event before it happened. Only to be tarbrushed as 'serb apiologists' by the clintonite scum and islamofacist mouthpieces frequenting FR discussions.

The belief that the truth will prevail only if the lies and liars are exposed is the best way to remember Daniel Pearl and Freepers who perished September 11 2001.

[vooch]

The KLA is no more.....it disbanded

pray tell us more,

[DTA]

The KLA is no more.....it disbanded

yes, UCK dispersed into KPC, ANA, UCKMPB, all of them accused for terrorist acts.

[vooch]

Blue

Please go to the Daniel Pearl story DTA linked, it is illuminating how the Clinton White House & Jamie Shea simply accepted KLA Zone Commander reports as factual and used their offices give credence and legitimacy to these "reports" w/o doing the least bit of effort to verify the KLA zone commander's stories.

These were the very same zone commanders ( for example Remi & Ramush ) who have been found guilty by UNMIK/Kfor of killing Albanians before, during, and after Clinton's bombing.

DTA,

thks for the links...........does anyone have a link to the Raimunda fabrication ?

[vooch]

the entire thread also notes that you do not address the long list of systematic murders committed by the KLA against Albanians.

[DTA]

....does anyone have a link to the Raimunda fabrication ?

The Truth About Rajmonda A KLA Soldier Lies for the Cause.

For Albanian terrorists, it is OK to lie about Serbs for their goal. For the liberal media, it is OK to lie about Serbs for the profit. For Clinton it is OK to lie about Serbs to get BJ scandal off the front pages.

It was decent people, Serbs and Shqiptars alike, who paid the price for the lie.

[GeraldP]

- the entire thread also notes that you do not address the long list of systematic murders committed by the KLA against Albanians.

That Albanians were killed by KLA members, this is likely true. This is true for every war, those deemed as collaborators or traitors are often killed. I neither condone, nor make apologies for such acts. It is misleading, however to claim "systematic murders".
The stories you quoted are no more than pieces of the large puzzle of propaganda designed to absolve the Milosevic regime and Serbian people in general, from the responsibility they bear for the catastrophe that were the Balkans of the 90's.

[joan]

Joan, with all respect, you have an agenda, and I wandered into your agenda. As several people have pointed out to me, these threads are populated by Serb apologists, of which you seem to be one.

Okay, but some words about those "several people". The first to sling mud at us, GeraldP, is an Albanian in Texas. So, don't you think he has an agenda on this thread - namely to discredit us?

Then there's Hoplite, the most notorious nemesis to us balkan freepers who believe there's been far too much propaganda and manipulation regarding the balkans. He always supports the official position and that the US and international community can essentially do no wrong. He has never been to the balkans himself and will argue with those who've been there (Americans and Brits, for example) who say he is wrong. He has a highly insultive manner, and when really angry, has wished death on at least 2 balkan freepers - "Destro" and Zoran (who had many nicks on here).

I don't have enough interest in the subject to compel me to debate you, although my every sense tells me you are wrong. Sorry, maybe another day. Meanwhile, I will steer clear of all posts that talk, however cryptically, about monks, Serbs or Albanians, OK?

Yes, many Freepers steer clear of the debates and fights on the balkan threads. Perhaps because of lack of interest, the continual bickering, and the writing (and sometimes pictures) of the horror and atrocities. People probably want to pick and choose what stresses them and don't want to worry too much about something new that isn't really on their minds or worrying them. Those of us who post, tend to be very aggravated already (about the balkan situation or having to prove their point of view) without FR, so FR, at least for me, is more of an outlet than wandering into it an adopting a new thing to be concerned about.

[getgoing]

Gerald, Would love to hear your thoughts on progress in Kosovo: justice system, KPC, political parties & UNMIK ops. How would you characterize reports such as:

IWPR by Arben Qirezi http://www.unmikonline.org/press/2002/wire/dec/imm211202.htm
OSCE http://www.osce.org/kosovo/documents/reports/hr/part1/ch19.htm
from #33 "Sincere diplomacy could have solved the problem without war, Father Sava said, and if the unarmed monitors of the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe had remained in Kosovo, but in larger numbers, "nothing like this would have happened." The problems here "would not have been easy to resolve," Father Sava said. "But it could have been done. And now we've ethnically cleansed Kosovo and destroyed it and produced enormous suffering on all sides."

In other words, who & why caused this war/current game plans/where will it end?

DTA, appreciate your links..."It's by returning repeatedly to Kosovo that I uncovered Rajmonda's lie. But hers is just one. How many other lies will remain buried?"

[GeraldP]

-Okay, but some words about those "several people". The first to sling mud at us, GeraldP, is an Albanian in Texas. So, don't you think he has an agenda on this thread namely to discredit us?

I'll make you deal. You and your friends quit posting stories with the express purpose of discrediting and insulting Albanians, and I will gladly get back to discussing politics, science, foreign affairs etc., which is why I am here in the first place.
And get your geography right, Texas and Louisiana are different states.

[DTA]

>>>>I neither condone, nor make apologies for such acts<<<

That is true, but you do not express any remorse either against the killing of innocents. People close to Rugova were not traitors yet they were shot and killed by KLA goons. Chldren were not traitors. You criminalize the victims by calling them traitors.

If you are indeed an Orthodox Christian as you claim to be, perhaps it is high time for you to go to the church and pray.

[DTA]

>>>>>I'll make you deal<<<<<

Oh boy, you do have a nerve. What do you think, who the hell are you ? If you have an urge to deal something, how about going to deal heroin for your KLA goons and leave Free Republic alone?

If you want to discuss issues, use the facts and leave your racist propaganda aside.

For starters, write your tagline in English !

[GeraldP]

- That is true, but you do not express any remorse either against the killing of innocents. People close to Rugova were not traitors yet they were shot and killed by KLA goons. Chldren were not traitors. You criminalize the victims by calling them traitors.

One single life ended as a result of violence is one too many. This is true regardless of whether we are talking about Albanians, Serbs, Romas, Congolese or anybody else. Please note that I did not call the victims traitors, I was stating a fact about the nature of war.

- If you are indeed an Orthodox Christian as you claim to be, perhaps it is high time for you to go to the church and pray.

This is one of my favorite verses in the Bible, which I measure my words by:
Why do you look at the splinter which is in your brother’s eye, but the beam in your eye you do not consider?...