CPAC 2004: ALAN KEYES' SPEECH

Renew America website ^ | January 24, 2004 | Dr. Alan Keyes

[EternalVigilance]

If he said it, yes. When I said it, no.

You simply have no understanding of what humility is, and in all likelihood don't even know the man. Am I wrong?

[EternalVigilance]

Moore's ambitions are personal and self serving

B.S.

[Lester Moore]

For example, If I am against abortion, and the law says that abortion is LEGAL in this country, I can't go around the LAW, I can only try to change people's minds. IMO, Alan Keyes is a very fine man, but he's not a politician.. he's a PREACHER, trying to convert people to Christianity.

Roe-v-Wade legalized feticide, overturning the duly passed 'Laws' of 50 states that proscribed or heavily restricted fetus shredding(only 3 permitted it, and then only in special circumstances).

I am no more bound by the central governments insistence that baby shredding be legal than I am if it were to declare gassing Jews to be 'legal'.

I can, do and will go around the 'Laws' that have made baby shredding 'legal'. I refuse to be bound by evil.

[EternalVigilance]

For all the good it did you. They lost.

They also eloquently transmitted the common sense principles that underlie our republic to millions of Americans.

We could use a whole bunch of 'losers' like in this country. The founders would be proud of them.

[TigersEye]

Know who said that?

Who cares?

[tcuoohjohn]

I never claimed to be possessed of humility. Only the ability to recognize it.

I think humility in most people is something of a posture. It is rare in its true form.

Moore, despite his protestations, is not humble. Like Cassius, he has a lean and hungry look. And behavior to match.

[TigersEye]

For example, in 2000, the Supreme Court used the same principle when it told the State of New Jersey that the state could not require the Boy Scouts to hire gay scoutmasters because that would interfere with the scouts' First Amendment "rights of association."

I would agree that the Boy Scouts or anyone else has a right to associate with whom they please but I would argue it under the 10th as an unenumerated right. Finding it in the 1st sounds every bit as twisted as Judge Thomas' decision about Roy's rock.

[tcuoohjohn]

Such eloquence must be resonded to.

I am a southerner. I recognize Judge Moore for who he is. he is one of my brethren and has chosen a tactic of long distinction in the South. Translating one's nominal faith into substantial power, money, and position. Elmer Gantry without the sex.

Moore is a man of cleverly cloaked naked ambition. I don't mind the naked ambition. I admire it. I mind the falsity and bumptiousness of the cloak.

[tcuoohjohn]

well, now...A man possessed of stellar intellectual curiosity....LOL

[EternalVigilance]

I know these great conservative leaders you have come onto this thread and disparaged. They are nothing like what you describe.

Never seen you around here before, and it wouldn't bother me at all if I didn't see you again. You obviously are a poor reader as well as being a lousy judge of character.

[Byron_the_Aussie]

...President GEORGE W. BUSH, the "compromise" candidate (for Keyes)...

We're both of one mind on that, Gracey. I read Earth in the Balance, I know where we could be, now. But I'm at the point where I log onto FR each morning, thinking, 'what cockamamie liberal initiative did GWB come up with, overnight?' I reckon FR ought to be a hotbed of dissent about the President's current direction. Hopefully the message might filter upwards? Best regards, By

[Byron_the_Aussie]

..ah...so for you ideologial purity trumps winning...

...and for your kind, 'winning' is everything. But what have you won?

[tcuoohjohn]

well...You haven't read my posts then. Tis a pity.. Great Conservative leaders and thinkers.. TR, Reagan, Scalia, Goldwater, Sowell, Hayek and others. Now if you had read my posts you would know that,scooter.

Now what has you upset is you are an ideologue who believes that anyone who says not ALL , each and every conservatives is a great conservative is somehow faithless and irresolute...frankly that is the thinking of a bonehead. Frankly it isn't thinking at all...it is "emoting" on a political plane.

[Byron_the_Aussie]

..never seen you around here before...

Don't be so sure about that, EV. The guy's phraseology is exactly the same as another poster who used to stalk the Moore threads, and stick the knife in, in the same snide way. Now he's doing the same thing here, a bunch of bells are ringing.

[Amelia]

They also eloquently transmitted the common sense principles that underlie our republic to millions of Americans.

Most Americans haven't even heard of Alan Keyes or Tom McClintock. I'm afraid that most of the time they are literally "preaching to the choir."

We could use a whole bunch of 'losers' like in this country. The founders would be proud of them.

The Founders on the whole were doers, not just talkers. Keyes talks a good game, but at the end of the day, can you point to anything he's actually accomplished to improve our government or our country?

Most of the founders also understood the value of compromise - you'll perhaps recall that in the early years of our republic, they had some pretty vehement arguments over the role of the federal government, and they didn't all agree. In fact, some of those same arguments continue to this day.

[tcuoohjohn]

Nothing snide or tangential about me...Direct and to the point.

You love Moore...I think he is a fraud. Others also hold that opinion.

[Byron_the_Aussie]

Have you ever posted on FR under another screen name?

[tcuoohjohn]

victory...the age old quest since man first picked up a club.

[Byron_the_Aussie]

Uh huh. Except in those days, they didn't use it on the rest of the tribe, afterwards.

[Scenic Sounds]

I would agree that the Boy Scouts or anyone else has a right to associate with whom they please but I would argue it under the 10th as an unenumerated right.

Well, that's a novel argument. I just have never heard anyone argue that the Tenth Amendment could be used to limit the powers of a State like New Jersey. The Tenth Amendment is usually used to support an argument in favor of states' rights.

Finding it in the 1st sounds every bit as twisted as Judge Thomas' decision about Roy's rock.

Well, it was Chief Justice Rehnquist who wrote the Court's opinion in the Boy Scout case. I don't view him as twisted and I don't know anyone who views him as a bomb-throwing liberal. And his opinion was joined in by, among others, Justices Scalia and Thomas.

The principle that, because of the Fourteenth Amendment, states have to comply with the First Amendment is just not considered to be very controversial anymore. As you can see, Rehnquist, Scalia and Thomas certainly have no problem with that position.

Do you suppose that explains why the Supreme Court chose not to hear Judge Moore's case?