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Arizona GOP Defies Bush, Calls For Accountability on Illegal Aliens
Talon News Service ^ | 27 January 2004 | Jimmy Moore

Posted on 01/27/2004 10:50:21 AM PST by Spiff

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To: glock rocks
My bad. But my point still stands. None of the Bushes or their band of politicians will ever inhabit the world in which the rest of us live.

The price of gas or a loaf of bread, fighting with city hall, crime in their neighborhood, quality of public schools, etc. aren't really on their radar screens other than for their political ramifications.

101 posted on 01/27/2004 5:01:00 PM PST by WayneM (Cut the KRAP (Karl Rove Amnesty Plan). Call your elected officials and say "NO!!")
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To: Missouri
An Oberweis victory would be a tremendous boost to the real immigration reform movement. I'll have to check the polls on him, he's got one on his site that says he's ahead, which is good news if true.

The issue is beginning to resonate nationally. Politicians who support amnesties may not have their jobs much longer.

102 posted on 01/27/2004 5:01:36 PM PST by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: WayneM
No argument here. I just slipped into Joe Friday mode :o)
103 posted on 01/27/2004 5:02:50 PM PST by glock rocks (molon labe)
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To: B4Ranch
The conversation is over.

Why?

104 posted on 01/27/2004 5:03:14 PM PST by ClintonBeGone (Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.)
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To: Reaganwuzthebest
An Oberweis victory would be a tremendous boost to the real immigration reform movement

I forgot to mention that I heard one of his promos during Rush's show today. He sounded real good.

105 posted on 01/27/2004 5:05:06 PM PST by Missouri
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To: txdoda
So you agree with 'legalized' line cutting ?? No *REWARDS* for those who come legally ??

My understanding is the law will have to be changed to allow more opportunity for immigrants.

106 posted on 01/27/2004 5:05:46 PM PST by ClintonBeGone (Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.)
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To: Polly
Does that site also have Germanic origin maps? That would be interesting to see. Or even how Germanic origin people spread out of Germany and all over Europe and the world.

It's obvious that immigrants often bring their values --- especially when large numbers immigrate together. It would be interesting to visit Germany and then visit Mexico and see the difference. In a Mexican town near here, they just dug up 11 fresh bodies in one man's yard --- all tortured to death. You look at the houses and stores ---- ALL have iron bars on the windows and doors, ALL have those high fences, many with barbed wire and broken glass along the top. The USA side is starting to look the same in many places. Outside Mexico City and Juarez you can see the garbage dumps --- where families live and make their living, find their food. In every Mexican city you see many street kids --- kids abandoned by their families --- thrown out to whatever awaits them on the streets. I never went to Germany --- but I have a feeling it's different.

107 posted on 01/27/2004 5:07:21 PM PST by FITZ
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To: txdoda
I thought this *odd* since Fox FIRST said the 'proposal' did not go far enough, then was for it *after* the summit meeting.

Looks like Fox was told to hush up, not that it matters because if the program goes through he'll get everything he wants over time anyway. Not only will 25 million relatives of those here now come in, but after 10 million more illegals get past the border they too will be amnestied. Eventually half of Mexico will be in the US.

108 posted on 01/27/2004 5:09:27 PM PST by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: libertylass
Thank you. My grandparents were immigrants. Both sides. Did everything legally. To everyone who think W's idea is great... perhaps it's different if you live out west and are being overrun by the costs of this illegal insanity.

The hell, you say? Just legalize it?

Doesn't make it go away.

and Nixon went to China.
109 posted on 01/27/2004 5:09:51 PM PST by glock rocks (molon labe)
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To: ClintonBeGone
My understanding is the law will have to be changed to allow more opportunity for immigrants.>>>>>>>

Yeah, *those* in DC are real good with these *new laws* that might effect, illegals, illegal employers, & ID thieves.

They just 'funded' the nation wide work 'verification' line for legal SS#'s........DC is SO *serious* they made it VOLUNTARY.

Maybe all the *honest* employers will use this TAX WASTE.
110 posted on 01/27/2004 5:12:00 PM PST by txdoda ("Navy-brat")
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To: Reaganwuzthebest
Eventually half of Mexico will be in the US.>>>>>>>>

Yeah, there's about 50 MILLION down there living at or below poverty.

Then 'our neighbors to the south' will include the rich & corrupt mexicans, who care about NO ONE, & many of the world's rich drug cartels.
111 posted on 01/27/2004 5:17:44 PM PST by txdoda ("Navy-brat")
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To: ClintonBeGone
Thats simply not what it does. But on this we'll have to disagree. There are wonderful people that immigrate to this country. I see them everyday. These are just like the people that founded this country and have given it life over the past 200 or so years. They're no more troublesome than some of our nativeborns.

I have no problems with immigrants coming here legally within a controlled LEGAL immigration system. By controlled, I mean that the numbers and types of immigrants allowed in are thought out instead of the floodgates being thrown wide open. It was Ted Kennedy's immigration reform bill in the 60's that put immigration at over 1 million per year and ended the quota system of the nations from which we were allowing immigrants. Immigrants need to be assessed upon the number that have already come annually from their country, the skills and education level that they bring, and their viability to become a productive member and asset to society. As it is now, our LEGAL immigration system lacks any sort of intelligent control (thanks to Ted Kennedy and a Democrat-controlled Congress) and our ILLEGAL immigration is totally OUT OF CONTROL.

Any form of amnesty is unfair to the LEGAL immigrants who worked so hard, waited so long, and paid so much to come here LEGALLY. I would rather pay $20 per head of lettuce then to screw a single LEGAL immigrant in such a manner.

I agree that conditions in some countries leads their citizens to look at the opportunities in the United States and want to come here. There is a LEGAL way to do it. However, we can't let every one of them in. It isn't possible or practical. The majority of immigration comes from Mexico - a nation that has the 9th largest economy in the world. Almost every other nation in the world is worse off than Mexico. Why should we let immigrants from Mexico go to the front of the line? 5 billion people in the world are worse off than most citizens Mexico Why should Mexican immigrants get special treatment?

Even if we doubled our current LEGAL immigration rate to 2 million or so, we still would not even put a dent in the 5 billion that would be better off in the U.S. In fact, that 5 billion produces more new population (births-deaths=new population) than that 2 million. There's no way we can keep up with that. How many would you let in?

It is obvious that an intelligent immigration system would let in the best and the brightest and leave out those who would be a burden on our resources and society. But if we only let in the best and the brightest, and the brain drain continues from their origin nations, then conditions will WORSEN there and MORE immigrants will want to come, not less. Shouldn't we leave the best and the brightest home to improve conditions in their origin nations?

The bottom line is that we need to absolutely control immigration. All illegal immigrants lost their chance when the first thing they did when they touched US soil was to violate our laws. Bye-bye, thanks for playing. Next, we need to put a moratorium on any more legal immigration until we can again enact a logical, intelligent immigration program. In the meantime, we need to lock down our borders to prevent any further illegal immigration and to enhance our national security. Then, we need to re-open LEGAL immigration and enact a system which is somewhat similar to what Bush is proposing (matching willing workers with employers) but that system must not reward lawbreakers, displace American workers, depress wages, or do anything but put AMERICANS FIRST. Bush's proposal is doing things in the WRONG order. Did we not learn a thing from Reagan's unfortunate amnesty?

112 posted on 01/27/2004 5:18:31 PM PST by Spiff (Have you committed a random act of thoughtcrime today?)
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To: B4Ranch
What you describe is what is happening to one degree or another here in Georgia.

* Shortage of classrooms and the teachers and other staff to run them
* Overtaxed hospital emergency rooms, the costs get rolled into my insurance expences
* Large swaths of my metro area [Atlanta} are becoming all Latino, the apartments and strip malls are non-white territory
* Increasing home owner taxes each year, the 'migrants' live in apts. and pay little of the tax burden they cause
* Increased gov't. costs at all levels to deal with people who can't/won't learn English
* Increased auto insurance premiums to pay for the high rate of the uninsured illegal aliens
* Increased crime/gang activity burdening law enforcement, the courts and jails/prisons
* Any attempt to deal with the illegals immediately brings the race card RACIST

I can't see anything but onrushing doom from Bush's amnesty, a plan which will only accelerate these horrid distortions of our already stressed society. On this most crucial matter, Bush is the most disappointing U.S. President of my life.

***Reluctantly, an ex-Republican base voter***

113 posted on 01/27/2004 5:25:07 PM PST by citizen (Write-in Tom Tancredo President 2004!)
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To: sweetliberty
There is something fundamentally flawed with this picture in the first place. WHY hasn't this been required as a matter of course ALL ALONG?

The invaders have gotten away with it in the name of tolerance and diversity. That's why we have to publish ballots in so many languages. Gee that does not match the requirements to be a US citizen and to have the Right to vote. Hmmmm!

Remember, LIBERALISM makes Slaves of Free men.

114 posted on 01/27/2004 6:14:01 PM PST by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: ClintonBeGone
This will be a close election and if Bush is not reelected we will have worse than the illegal issue.

Yep. So true.

First you'll have to convince me that's true, I'm not there yet.

That old GOP trick doesn't work for me anymore.

Liberals I've survived: Kennedy (less liberal than Nixon), Johnson, Nixon, yes Richard wage and price controls, nationalized 55MPH speed limit, set your thermostats to 68 in the winter and 78 in the summer, let's be friends with China Nixon, Carter, Clinton, Gray Davis and at the current trend, if we follow your advice the next Republicans won't be any better.

115 posted on 01/27/2004 6:20:33 PM PST by lewislynn (First they throw us a bone, then they flip us the bone...)
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To: Spiff
I don't care if supporting PAN costs President Bush the election. As an American, I believe our obligation, our patriotic duty, is protect our country from harm and pass along a better life to future generations. Illegal immigration is robbing us of the latter ladies and gentlemen, and it definitely harming our country cause illegals come to get public benefits and commit crime more than to do an honest day's work. They are here in violation of our laws. The White House may not grasp this but Arizonans and Americans do. I put country ahead of party and politics. Neverthless I want to go on the record as saying how proud I am of the Arizona GOP for standing up and doing the right thing. They listened to the rank and file. Now the President and his inner circle are going to have to listen to the people or they will find themselves out of a job in November. I do not want that to happen so I urge them to drop their misguided opposition to PAN and come out and actively oppose illegal immigration - which by the way, happens to be a position also held by 83% of the American people.
116 posted on 01/27/2004 6:29:12 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: lewislynn
Uh, minor correction ... nationalized 55MPH speed limit, set your thermostats to 68 in the winter and 78 in the summer,... was Carter not Nixon.
117 posted on 01/27/2004 6:33:07 PM PST by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: citizen
Agenda 21's idea of social engineering up close is ugly. Very ugly to anyone who is proud of America. Being proud of America and being 100% proud of President Bush are two different subjects. Yes, he has made me proud of the changes his family has made in the White House, but his domestic policies are something else again.

We need to send everyone who refuses to understand what changes will happen in their community down to stay with you for two months....before November!

118 posted on 01/27/2004 6:33:22 PM PST by B4Ranch ( Dear Mr. President, Sir, Are you listening to the voters?)
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To: lewislynn
You forgot that R. (3 letter agency) Nixon was the one who initiated the EPA and that gang of UN controls on America.
119 posted on 01/27/2004 6:35:42 PM PST by B4Ranch ( Dear Mr. President, Sir, Are you listening to the voters?)
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To: Reaganwuzthebest
Meet one of the major reasons I think he maybe a globalist.
120 posted on 01/27/2004 6:46:33 PM PST by RiflemanSharpe (An American for a more socially and fiscally conservation America!)
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