Opponents of origin theories plan presentation [Montana schools & Evolution]

MontanaForum ^ | 20 January 2004 | JENNY JOHNSON

[Modernman]

I.D is not 'creationism..whatever that cliche is supposed to mean. It is modern evidence from electron microscopes, fossil facts, empirical anthropic "coincidemce, etc.

Electron microscopes, fossils and empirical anthropic coincidence show evidence that species are intelligently designed? I'd love to see an example.

[metacognative]

I thought so..most darwinites are out of date. Read "Darwin's black Box" and explore this;
http://arn.org/eyw.htm

[Modernman]

So, basically, if we can't currently explain something, it must be God?

[metacognative]

You darwin believers talk more about God than Episcopal bishops!

[Modernman]

If we're not talking about God, then what is ID about?

[metacognative]

I'm a Bergson-Lamarkian, if that helps you. Being an atheist and relying on pure chance to create a billion year old ecosystem requires much more faith than I can gullibly produce.

[PatrickHenry]

If we're not talking about God, then what is ID about?

Sit back and enjoy the show:

[RightWingNilla]

Buried in the middle of the Chicken/Egg essay is the same old song and dance:

For example, the protein, albumin, contains 585 amino acids. Therefore the chances of these amino acids randomly coming together to form a molecule of human albumin is in the order of 20 to the 585th power. This equals about one chance in 10 raised to the 760th power: pretty long odds.

The rest of the article is just a cut and paste job from a basic medical physiology textbook. Look mom, Dr. Glickman sure is a smart cookie!

Why can't these people first learn a little bit about molecular evolution before attempting to opine on it?

[RightWingNilla]

Bergson-Lamarkian

What exactly is this? Do you subscribe to the theory of use/disuse & inheritance or is this something else?

[PatrickHenry]

Montana update: Opponents make argument against intelligent design.

[metacognative]

I'm studying how Dna information actually translates into real organisms. Exactly what is doing the reading? Also, there are known cases of feedback into the germ cell from the organism..contrary to darwinite dogma.
The Old Paradigm is dead. Keep up!

[Michael_Michaelangelo]

Interesting stuff! Have you read about this study?

Resilience through improvisation

[RightWingNilla]

I'm studying how Dna information actually translates into real organisms. Exactly what is doing the reading?

But this really isnt a mystery. The machinery that allows for the expression of DNA information (I presume you are talking about genes) are comprised of proteins and RNA. The processes are fairly well understood.

Also, there are known cases of feedback into the germ cell from the organism

I do not know of any cases of this, at least not in the true Lamarkian sense. Could you show me the evidence?

[metacognative]

That is interesting, thanks. Contrary to some opinions..this is not understood. What is it that recognizes the error?

[metacognative]

Michael Denton has written two books on these subjects..also see David Berlinski;
http://www.discovery.org/scripts/viewDB/index.php?program=CRSC&command=view&id=616

[Michael_Michaelangelo]

Good question! Two more qestions that come to mind:

How does error control effect randon mutation and natural selection? Also, how would it effect the time it takes evolution to introduce new features?

[RightWingNilla]

I am seriously very interested in any evidence you have seen on Lamarkian modes of inheritance. Kindly provide a direct reference.

also see David Berlinski

There was an enjoyable book by him about calculus I read a few years ago. There wasn't anything in that or in your link about Lamark though!

[RightWingNilla]

How does error control effect randon mutation and natural selection?

Error control is impressive, but not perfect. Some mutations slip through. Also there are some mutations which arent base pair mismatches and not recognized by repair enzymes. Double stranded DNA fragments that randomly insert stand a good chance of not getting detected as an error by the polymerases and repair machinery.

[antaresequity]

I think life started on another planet and came to earth on a rock...or aboard a space ship

And until we can build are own space ships and go 'there'...its all a bunch of guess work

There is no proof that 'God' snapped his fingers and created life, and there is no proof that bacteria materialized out of some primordial amino-acid bath charged with a lightening bolt...

Flame Suit On

[metacognative]

http://216.239.37.99/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=lamarckian+bacteria&spell=1