The Final Straw? Accountability for President Bush

1/13/2004 | Andy Obermann

[Redleg Duke]

Okay, folks, just keep on wallowing in self-pity!

[Toespi]

I know that "lesser of two evils" is an expression. But it is too often used in politics.

[ilgipper]

There are countless times that I have been thankful that Bush is our President; there are also many times when I question what the hell he is doing. In 2000, Republicans chose our leader, and he was elected. In 2004, he is the lone Republican candidate. Regardless of my disapointment in his spending choices, his tax cuts, his foreign policy, and his military leadership have been oustanding. I can either choose to continue to be satisfied in those areas and frustrated by the spending increases, or I can not support Bush, and allow someone else to take office with clearerly inferior views in all the areas mentioned.

If I don't like the direction of the GOP in Washington, the best thing I can do is 1) Campaign like hell for conservative candidates in the House and Senate to improve the situation in Washington for the next 2-4 years, and 2) Focus my energy on making sure that the 2008 GOP candidate meets my needs. The choice in 2004 is cut and dry, it's either Bush, or its Dean/Kerry/Clark/Edwards/H. Clinton. It's an easy, easy choice.

[TigersEye]

Rush? Is that you? No self pity here whatsoever. I left construction in '89 due to back problems. In '94 I merely needed a decent wage to help pay for the schooling I was taking to transition out. I could have qualified for thousands in disability, unemployment and job retraining from the gov. but I have never taken one red penny.

It is you who wallow and it is ignorance you wallow in. Bush's Amnesty will accelerate the welfare state/entitlement state condition of this country to the point where we are in worse shape than Mexico has ever been.

You have the right to believe that's impossible. You have the right to think resistance to that is self pity. Those are your God given entitlements. But your belief in a fantasy won't change the immutable law of cause and effect.

Inviting the world's poor to come share in our wealth while simultaneously spending the hoped for excess of several future generations will lead to one inevitable outcome. The nations of the world eagerly await the day when we owe each of them more than we can pay in a lifetime. I'm sure they'll be compassionate creditors.

[100%FEDUP]

"As an education major, I am witness to the flaws of this legislation."

(sarcasm on)How could the legislation possibly be flawed?
It was crafted by Ted Kennedy, the third smartest person ever created. The first and second being Billary!(sarcasm off)

[exmarine]

Do not buy into the 2-party system or the fallacious "lesser of two evils" argument. Bush presents himself as a Christian and a sort of "angel of light" but his words and policies reveal a liberal in conservative clothing. This is deception. Do not be fooled. Educate yourselves. Check out this new website - Christians should watch what people do, not just what they say.

www.bushrevealed.com

[TigersEye]

The first paragraph in my response to you may be a little confusing. I thought I was on a different thread. (Coffee first then post ... coffee first then post ...) FWIW this is the post I thought you were responding to. However; my points still apply.

[B4Ranch]

You got it right!

[olliemb]

Wait a minute--you have gone where you probably should not go--what makes you the judge of President Bush's sincerity re: his religion/christianity. I am a devout catholic and I do not see anythng in Mr. Bush's actions or demeanor that would make me doubt his christianity. Please cite examples of where you think he is deceptive. B/c if you think that the democrats that are presently running have christian values--then I think your motives in this discussion need to be questioned. What has President Bush done that would make one think he is not a christian--and please I don't need a website to tell me what to be worried about, my knowledge of Jesus Christ and the bible is all that I need to know a christian.

[exmarine]

Wait a minute--you have gone where you probably should not go--what makes you the judge of President Bush's sincerity re: his religion/christianity.

The bible is my authority. Read Eph. 5:11 and 1Cor 2:15:

And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove [them].

It is right and correct and biblical to expose Bush's anti-Christian statements and activities. The bible also says, But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man. (1Cor 2:15)

We must judge, the key is we are not to judge self-righteously (Ro. 2:1). If we didn't judge, we could not administer church discipline properly. I do not think it is self-righteous judgment to hold Bush's feet to the fire for his errors. It is not just one error - it is a whole bunch of them (did you read the website?), which indicates a pattern - a pattern of un-Christian or anti-Christian behavior and talk. He to be a Christian - he has made public statements to this effect - yet his actions do NOT reflect it.

Bottom line: Christians are called to Holy in all they do - including their vote, and voting for a candidate that does not represent biblical values is an error from a biblical standpoint. There are more than 2 parties. I refuse to be a prisonor of the 2-party system. It will change!

[exmarine]

Please cite examples of where you think he is deceptive.

Again, go to www.bushrevealed.com and read.

B/c if you think that the democrats that are presently running have christian values--then I think your motives in this discussion need to be questioned.

Again, you are making an assumption that there are only 2 choices. That is wrong. Please step out of the box - your thinking is too PC.

What has President Bush done that would make one think he is not a christian--and please I don't need a website to tell me what to be worried about, my knowledge of Jesus Christ and the bible is all that I need to know a christian.

Again read the list on the website - then come back and we'll discuss it.

[Dead Corpse]

If this is an example of the type of judge Bush wants to appoint to the Bench, we can do WITHOUT him as our President.

Tancredo should get the GOP nod. Him I could vote for.

[olliemb]

Oh, please,you are exasperating!!!! Why can't you just cite what YOU think is anti christian about Bush? Why do you need a "loco" website to do your talking? No propaganda--either you know what you are talking about or you are full of ....

[olliemb]

The devil knows the bible word for word. So don't start quoting bible verses to me. Give your examples or shut up.
!!! you are scaring me.

[exmarine]

The devil knows the bible word for word. So don't start quoting bible verses to me. Give your examples or shut up. !!! you are scaring me.

Did you bother to read the website? Obviously not. Here are some facts about Bush that indicate he is more liberal than conservative: Expansion of the govt and spending at a clip only democrats can admire (this is socialism - a philospohy that is antithetical to personal responsibility, to limited government and to biblical principles); his letter of praise to the gay Metropolitan Church (contradicts biblical values and his putative family friendly platform); saying muslims and Christians worship the same God (decidedly unbiblical and contrary to Christian doctrine not to mention just plain dumb); signing of unconstitutional and anti-freedom bills like Patriot Act and CFR (so much for the Bill of Rights!); his immigration policies (which certainly appear to contradict his oath to protect America from foreign invasion and is tantamount to selective enforcement of laws - which is a form of tyranny); his abandonment of Taiwan in their quest for freedom from China (all that rhetoric about freedom is rining hollow about now); his support of the EGREGIOUS decision to remove the 10 commandments monument from Alabama court bldg.; his support for affirmative action in the Michigan Univ. case (racial prefrence is inconsistent with equal justice under the law - it's racism); his silence on the Lawrence v. Texas pro-sodomy decision (so much for defending and protecting the Constitution - there is no right to sodomy in the Constitution); and his inactivity on all pro-family fronts.

Your turn.

[exmarine]

The devil knows the bible word for word. So don't start quoting bible verses to me. Give your examples or shut up. !!! you are scaring me.

I gave you examples. NOW, DEFEND YOUR MAN - IF YOU CAN! By the way, you can't make me shut up - you don't have the power or the ability.

[exmarine]

I'm waiting...

[olliemb]

You have not yet scared me off but I got to work. Get to ya and your ridiculous comments later on today.

[olliemb]

Here are some facts about Bush that indicate he is more liberal than conservative:

what does this have to do with christianity??????


-- Expansion of the govt and spending at a clip only democrats can admire (this is socialism - a philospohy that is antithetical to personal responsibility, to limited government and to biblical principles)--
what a bunch of baloney. Again this has nothing to do with Jesus Christ and love one another as he loved us.

his letter of praise to the gay Metropolitan Church--(contradicts biblical values and his putative family friendly platform);
not true, President Bush never praised gay church. (contradicts biblical values and his putative family friendly platform);

saying muslims and Christians worship the same God (decidedly unbiblical and contrary to Christian doctrine not to mention just plain dumb)--
jeesh, are you that dumb??? ARe you suggesting that there are more than one creator????

; signing of unconstitutional and anti-freedom bills like Patriot Act and CFR (so much for the Bill of Rights!)--
this is unchristian? HA!! are you confused!!!

; his immigration policies (which certainly appear to contradict his oath to protect America from foreign invasion and is tantamount to selective enforcement of laws - which is a form of tyranny)
but we are talking christianity or have you gotten off the train? Again what does this have to do with love one another as you would love yourself or as Christ has loved you???

his abandonment of Taiwan in their quest for freedom from China (all that rhetoric about freedom is rining hollow about now)
this constitutes unchristianity??

his support of the EGREGIOUS decision to remove the 10 commandments monument from Alabama court bldg.--
not true-President Bush never came out and supported this action.


; his support for affirmative action in the Michigan Univ. case (racial prefrence is inconsistent with equal justice under the law - it's racism)--
he never supported this. Read the decision and President Bush's stance on this.

his silence on the Lawrence v. Texas pro-sodomy decision (so much for defending and protecting the Constitution - there is no right to sodomy in the Constitution)--
and president Bush did not say there was a sodomy right. But the federal court is the last say so. Perhaps if you voted republican, President Bush would have the judges to properly decide on such cases.

and his inactivity on all pro-family fronts.--he has been very active on this front.
I don't think your website is correct with all this misinfomation it is feeding you.

[G.Mason]

"Do not buy into the 2-party system or the fallacious "lesser of two evils" argument ......."

Okay, who are we voting for?