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The Final Straw? Accountability for President Bush
1/13/2004 | Andy Obermann

Posted on 01/13/2004 11:43:35 AM PST by AndyObermann

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To: Isolationist
"Those true conservatives in swing states have lots to consider on whether you want a slow death with Bush or a quick death with Dean."

Actually, I'm thinking that the republican congresscritters may be yes-men to Bush but they would not be yes-men to a democrat.. so it might actually be a slower death with whoever end up the dim candidate. I won't vote for any of the dims, but I'm not sure it'll hurt my feelings much at this point if one wins. Although, if Hillary runs, I'll be forced to vote for Bush regardless of the crap he's pulling. As it is now right now, I may not vote at all.
161 posted on 01/13/2004 5:35:52 PM PST by honeygrl (If I had a dollar for every time I had 60 cents, I would be in Canada.)
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To: Redleg Duke
"I am amazed at the number of people who totally miss out on the strategy being used here by the President. Sure he has increased spending, but at the same time, he has successfully stripped the RATS of their traditional campaign issues."

So his strategy is "Screw the conservatives, I want to take stuff from the Dems"? It's gone too far.
162 posted on 01/13/2004 5:41:43 PM PST by honeygrl (If I had a dollar for every time I had 60 cents, I would be in Canada.)
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To: honeygrl; nopardons
honeygrl, you nailed it. Let's hope that others read and get the message.
164 posted on 01/13/2004 6:36:02 PM PST by HostileTerritory
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To: AndyObermann
Good job. Well written and evenly toned. Not a bashing at all just a simple rendition of what is.

The President will most likely be re-elected, and he will most likely get my vote, but I hope he reconsiders the direction he intends to lead this country. If not, it will take decades to undo the damage he has done.

It will never be undone. What is happening will be the undoing of this nation. In the short term a Democrat would be worse but we will soon be finished none the less.

165 posted on 01/13/2004 6:59:01 PM PST by TigersEye ("Where there is life there is hope!" - Terri Schiavo)
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To: ex-snook
Sorry about the 3 X - I kept getting 'internal error' rather than seeing the post.

I got that a lot today. Now I know it's not my computer or my ISP. Thanks for posting that.

166 posted on 01/13/2004 7:14:57 PM PST by TigersEye ("Where there is life there is hope!" - Terri Schiavo)
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To: Redleg Duke
Think about incrementalism. We didn't get in this Socialist-inspired mess over night. The RATS did it incrementally.

Oh wow now I get this strategery! The PUBs make a huge leap to the left and then start crawling back to the right. Ayup, that oughta do it.

167 posted on 01/13/2004 7:32:13 PM PST by TigersEye ("Where there is life there is hope!" - Terri Schiavo)
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To: AndyObermann
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168 posted on 01/13/2004 7:48:08 PM PST by foreverfree
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To: olliemb
What would you recommend besides having the federal government intervene?

This may be a novel approach....but go with me here...how about....we abide by the Constitution! EDUCATION IS A STATE ISSUE! Let every state handle education as it sees fit!

169 posted on 01/13/2004 8:05:45 PM PST by Onelifetogive
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To: olliemb
Farm subsidy bill--best way to compete with the rest of the world.

Suppose for an instant, that I work really, really, really hard making a product that I sell to you for next to nothing. In order to "compete" with me, you have to work really, really, really really hard to make the same product and sell it for even closer to nothing...or you could just live the good life by buying my product.

Subsidies and "dumping" by other countries is simply increasing our standard of living at their expense. I'll take it!!! I definitely have NO intention of "competing" against them in busting my a$$ to increase someone else's standard of living!

170 posted on 01/13/2004 8:10:49 PM PST by Onelifetogive
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To: honeygrl
Actually, I'm thinking that the republican congresscritters may be yes-men to Bush but they would not be yes-men to a democrat...

Even with the GOP running Congress, Clinton managed to do a lot of harm. Don't let the Dems control any part of government. It will only make you more unhappy.

171 posted on 01/13/2004 8:13:35 PM PST by Consort
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To: Dec31,1999
Either hold your nose and vote for Bush, or be prepared for 4, or more, years under a Democrat.

The problem I have is that if it is four more years under a Dim, the GOP will put up a Hurculean effort to fight the liberal agenda of the Dim, for W, they just roll over and accept it.

172 posted on 01/13/2004 8:14:12 PM PST by Onelifetogive
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To: Donaeus
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173 posted on 01/13/2004 9:06:35 PM PST by Donaeus (Approximately 79,999,977 firearms owners killed no one yesterday.)
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To: nopardons
"Republican does NOT mean " CONSERVATIVE ", so RINO, is a term which is flagrantly misused, to mean that a REPUBLICAN isn't " Conservative enough " !"

Thank you for stating what obviously is misunderstood by many in this forum.

For those educated enough to read and comprehend the witten word, perhaps a look at the Republican Platform 2000 would clear away some of the ever present fog that permeates this area of ideas.

174 posted on 01/14/2004 3:37:30 AM PST by G.Mason ("The strength of a nation derives from the integrity of the home" - Confucius)
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To: Toespi; Capt. Tom; Hank Rearden
Just for the record; "The lesser of two evils" is an expression. I didn't mean to suggest that President Bush is evil.

I also agree that you don't have to vote at all. My point only was that we are never going to agree with everything that the President or any other politician does simply because they don't necessarily worry about what we think. They play on a ball field that the voter and his vote is a very small part of.
175 posted on 01/14/2004 8:06:45 AM PST by BurtS188
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To: honeygrl
I agree. I'm probably going to pass on voting or really look hard at 3rd party candidates for all level goverment office. At this point if Hillary Ride'm Clinton runs - then that will force my hand - but at this point I don't think we need to worry about that.
176 posted on 01/14/2004 8:59:04 AM PST by Isolationist
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To: BurtS188
Just for the record; "The lesser of two evils" is an expression. I didn't mean to suggest that President Bush is evil.

I know what you meant. I just turned the phrase around to voting for the evil of two lessers.

What I mean, is I support Bush in almost every area. But his immigration stance is so offensive to me I would vote for another candidate in the next election if I could find one I trusted with the national security. I don't see anyone I trust.

I would like to sit out the election, but Bush will get my vote because the democrats (socialists) are anti American, and worse overall for this country.

They, like Bush will neglect our immigration laws and will weaken our National security and put more liberal judges on the Supreme court. Once again for me unfortunately, it is voting against the socialist alternative. - Tom

177 posted on 01/14/2004 10:47:18 AM PST by Capt. Tom (Don't confuse the Bushies with the dumb republicans. - Capt. Tom)
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To: Onelifetogive
"No child permitted to get ahead" is a better title."

___________________SITUATION REPORT______________________

Twenty years ago a high school drop out could get a job in construction, trucking, or manufacturing, and still do pretty well for himself. Well enough to own a car and afford some type of housing, by the age of twenty.

One by one these jobs have been outsourced, or filled by a wage suppressing immigrant, lowering the expectation and living standard of many Americans. Such is not suppose to be the case. In raising the boat of third world nations we have sunk the boats of many average Americans. Meanwhile those that stick it out through college are finding their jobs outsourced and their options limited.

Why do you think so many people my age are enraged, we know what has happened, we know America is being stripmined, and youth who has never known anything else, raised in the fed propaganda camps, have no clue of how badly they have been robbed.

You are merely parroting the propaganda of the enemy like a good little public school student. There are not that many white collar jobs and in fact all jobs have been artificially manipulated out of the country, or by immigrants in country all due to deadly socialist government policies and freedom robbing Free Trade.

52 posted on 01/14/2004 5:15:38 AM PST by MissAmericanPie

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178 posted on 01/14/2004 10:55:54 AM PST by B4Ranch (Wave your flag, don't waive your rights!)
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To: Chi-townChief
The trouble is we still have to undo all of the damage from the Clinton Administration.

If some Arky Bubba drives off the road and knocks down some of your fence, and the Texie Bubba you hire to fix it comes along and does just as much, if not more damage, you fire his @$$.

Time to hire Tancredo.

179 posted on 01/14/2004 10:59:34 AM PST by Jim Cane
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To: nopardons
From you name I would have thought you were more realistic,so "For the umpteenth time, for the unenlightened/political naifs, who refuse to understand politics and reality....."

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"The National Population Council reported that 9.9 million Mexicans call America home and that more than 7.82 million of those - or 79 percent - do not have U.S. citizenship. It did not break down how many had legal residence papers."

"According to a RoperASW poll from last year, 83 percent of Americans support mandatory detention and forfeiture of property for illegal immigrants, followed by deportation."

I'm one of the 83%.

If the President Bush or Tom Ridge would announce that in six months they will be paying a $50 per head bounty for each illegal alien on American soil there would be a mad rush for the borders.

A policeman in a car costs the average city about $200 an hour. Helicopters cost at least $2000 an hour with the ground crews. What is the full cost of a teacher per hour? $140.00 or there about.

If we could get illegal aliens to turn each other in, just the ones trying to slip through the net, (I know thousands would attempt it) we would save billions in law enforcement, welfare programs, unemployment, medical care, job training and schools the first year.

Do all this under Executive Order and tell the Courts to back off. This is national security!

Any employer who has employed an illegal alien more than five months from the announcement date will be fined $5000 per employee. One month later enforcement begins. This will give employers 5 months to shed the illegals and hire legally papered actual American citizens.

Then on the announced date, start in a state such as Oklahoma. Well centered, not overly populated and clean the state out. This would give Homeland, INS and Border Patrol time to install their co-agents in various court houses around the country to verify a persons paperwork, i.e.. birth certificates, hospital records, etc.

Go state to state from the epicenter sweeping out the criminals who have successfully avoided suspicion. They already had 5 months to get out, hanging around to test the system carries a SEVERE penalty. They won't be able to say they weren't warned.

Divide a state into quadrants depending on population per square mile., First arrest those whose names were turn in for the bounty. Then others suspected by local law agencies. When arrests slow down, open an adjoining quadrant.

Get caught after the selected dated and the result would be every foreign national who is not in America legally would forfeit all their belongings (houses, cars, bank accounts, etc.) and be deported within 24 hours. These forfeited belongings would then be given to local churches for distribution to the needy in that community. Another cost saver!

This enforcement would apply to illegals from every country in the world, not just Mexico.

Imagine the number of Chinese who would be taking the ship home with everything in the house, new cars, you name it would be on those ships. The thousands of Canadians who decided the USA was better than Canada would be again headed North.

How many schools could be closed? How many hospitals and state paid housing tracts? How many welfare offices? How many planned jail enlargements could be stopped for lack of need?

How many state and federal employees would find out that they have the time to actually give good service to their American customers?

Oh yes, it would be an economic shocker in the amount of taxes that could be reduced or used to actually improve something needed for American citizens, instead of illegal foreigners.

Want an approximate number of the population drop? Try 50 million+ with the majority over 30 years of age, having been illegal residents of America for over ten years.

I've always wondered how many folks are on Medicare that don't deserve it. I'll bet that would save a big chuink of money that could be used for American war veterans and citizens health problems.

Just imagine the frantic squealing from our politicians thinking of the lost votes and contributions. That would be a sideshow worth watching!

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180 posted on 01/14/2004 11:01:47 AM PST by B4Ranch (Wave your flag, don't waive your rights!)
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