Posted on 01/13/2004 9:01:35 AM PST by Aurelius
The similarity was in the effect it had on public opinion, of course.
Walt
I'll get off of mine as soon as you fall off of yours. You claim no bias, no leanings towards one side or the other. Yet I have yet to see a single criticizm directed towards the south or the Davis regime. So why should I, or anyone else, accept your claim of neutrality?
Why stop there? We could go back to Northern violations of the Constitution with respect to the return of fugitive slaves. Or to the actions of John Brown at Pottawatomie Creek and Harper's Ferry. Or the killing of an Abolitionist editor or the killing of someone legally trying to recover his slaves. Or mistreatment of slaves by the occasional cruel slave owner. Or the institution of slavery itself. Or the Constitutional bargain (slavery traded for Northern interests in navigation and commerce) that permitted the Union to be formed in the first place. And so on and so on...
Both sides were at fault.
But in the end the captain was released and the boat returned to him unharmed. The same can't be said for the property seized by the southern forces.
Tell that to the owners of fugitive slaves not returned by Northern states.
If we lived in a republic.. Al Gore would be the moneyman behind the Mayor of some speed trap somewhere outside of Memphis..
That is why I enjoy having a wheel on my mouse - I can scroll past his posts without even having to move my hand.
intelligent people on FR are on to your game.
you KNOW better, you just don't want to admit the TRUTH about the lust for dixie freedom having NOTHING to do with slavery (with the obvious exception of the 5-6% of southerners who actually owned slaves.).
as the Minister of Damnyankee Propaganda, it is your job to tell FALSEHOODS!
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that you cannot ever admit!
nonetheless it is the TRUTH!
free dixie NOW,sw
there are, otoh,MANY THOUSANDS of PALEO-Confederates, who will never forget what a creep lincoln demonstrably was. AND we still are struggling for the TRUTH to be told about the war & our ancestor's struggle for LIBERTY!
we'll quit talking about him in that fashion, when the damnedyankees start looking at him ONLY as a CHEAP, SCHEMING politician, not any different that wee wille klintoon, rather than a saint!
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'ole Nate said of his black troops,
"no better rebels ever drew breathe!"
trust an expert!
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lincoln is worthy of NO adulation imVho. only a damnFOOL would, after reading his own words, would believe that he was anything but a cheap, scheming politician of the WORST sort.
free the south,sw
why can't you damnedyankees do so NOW??? (perhaps Nate was/is smarter than all damnyankees!)
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I would say it was the major issue, but not the only one. Had this issue been resolved peacefully it might have been possible to resolve the others peacefully as well. And it could have been resolved peacefully, the british managed to abolish slavery without fighting each other.
Ah well, if a frog had pockets it would carry a .38. The war happened. It was disastrous for both sides but particularly for the south. The southern states wound up back in the union and very much worse off than before. The only good thing that came out of it was the abolition of slavery, the price for that was apx. 600,000 dead.
You post that time and time again, and yet your own namesake was apparently in the war for just that reason, as well as to get back at a faction of his own tribe, those who hated him for selling them out of their land in the southeast and putting them on the Trail of Tears (see post 132, which I posted tongue in cheek at first, but I'm starting to wonder if I wasn't on to something). If "southron" historians are pointing out that he was a slaveowner and fought for slavery and to take out John Ross, why are you blaming Lincoln? Why are you saying slavery played NO PART whatsoever? I'm exceeding curious from where that hatred stems, because from the viewpoint of a person relatively new to these Civil War threads, you appear juuuuust a tad irrational when it comes to Lincoln. I have to admit, though, it's fun to see the different viewpoints, the polarization, and all that sort of thing.
tick, tick, tick...
http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/ampage?collId=llcg&fileName=056/llcg056.db&recNum=474
That is exactly the issue at hand and also the reason why one must take care to date the start of the Civil War itself to the events at Fort Sumter. For purposes of clarity, it is the first event out of which there is a clear succession of armed conflict through the war's known conclusion in 1865. Prior to Sumter one can find isolated events, mob actions, abolitionist insurrections and any number of other loosely relevant pre-war events involving arms.
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