WITH A WHISPER, NOT A BANG (Patriot Act II signed by President on December 13, 2003)

San Antonio Current ^ | 12/24/03 | David Martin

[eno_]

Under the law described in this article, call it "Patriot II" or whatever, the FBI has a right to inspect all business documents without a court order. They define what they can access, and just go do it.

If you operate, or have ever operated a business, your documents are no longer protected by anything resembling BoR protections.

That's real. That is a real Police State. They get to make it up as they go.

That's not a nation worth defending.

[Semaphore Heathcliffe]

wait a minute, isn't the the same "Alex Jones crap" that got your thread pulled last week? The Mod gwinze be really hacked if there's more "Alex Jones crap" on the forum.

(waiting for the thread to be pulled...)

(still waiting...)

Hmmm. Guess it's not really "Alex Jones crap" after all.

[sinkspur]

The fearmongers cannot name a single freedom lost. None. Zilch. Nada.

Of course not. But they fantasize that, well, there must be some loss of freedom to you and me.

Criminals lose plenty under the Patriot Act, but, then, they're criminals, right?

[Recovering_Democrat]

"We're afraid of fighting terrorists! Call us the 'FRAIDY CAT FREEPERS!'"

[Recovering_Democrat]

YAWN. you've got no evidence to back you up...just fearmongering bs.

We ain't buyin' it, eno_. You can't tilt at windmills all day long--but you're still wrong.

[JohnGalt]

Who let in the jackasses (your term) through the front door?

[deport]

PL 108-177 isn't on the online section of the Gov't website yet. It will be interesting to read the details from it...... If a person deals in money laundrying transaction this has the potential to put them in the cross hairs. For those that don't then they probable won't even know it exist.

[Lower55]

I guess the FCF's agree with Dean that osama has rights that need to be protected. Same old "blame America first" crowd. Intellectual lightweights.

[the gillman@blacklagoon.com]

I have a techie friend who's out of work.
How much does government shill pay these days and where can he get an application?

[Lower55]

I have a techie friend who's out of work.

Have him wait crouching in the other corner of your basement.

[HiTech RedNeck]

Turning you into people jerky is soon going to be the mode of the day. If Big Gummint tells you to "dry up" it may first be figurative (CFR) but will soon become literal (Right-to-Die-on-Hearsay laws all across the land).

[Sabertooth]

Would that be the freedom to launder money for terrorists?

If terrorists want to launder money, they can simply get a Mexican matricula consular ID card, the use of which the Bush Administration has done nothing to prevent.

It's a problem, you see, when Americans launder terrorist money.

However, it's apparently not a problem if Illegals or terrorists posing as Illegals launder terrorist money, and the Treasury Department has recently issued guidelines on how to do just that.

I'm sure this has something to do with "strategery," and "the real world," and "taking the Democrats' issues away," and I'm sure some intrepid Freeper will explain it all to me soon, and in short order.

[HiTech RedNeck]

The freedom to know Al Qaeda cells are being dismantled before our very eyes.

But, we WON'T be free to know that under any law that excuses FBI from telling Congress in even the most aggregate statistical sense about what's going down. You LIKE power without public accountability?

[HiTech RedNeck]

And, money laundering has long been banned. All that has happened is that the pesky grand juries have been taken out of the process and the scope of what kind of transaction can be considered prima facie suspicion of money laundering greatly increased. Can you say ecstatic jackboot dream? I know you could.

[american spirit]

Me too!

[KantianBurke]

[HiTech RedNeck]

It's been as clear as the nose on your face when you look in the mirror. It's the few tattered shreds of the 4th amendment which cover, like a mostly rotten fig leaf, the right to not have your own activities snooped into absent a nontrivial degree of showing that something is probably criminally wrong therewith. Why did the founding fathers put in that pesky 4th amendment anyhow? Wouldn't it have been better to have required a form be filed with the Federal government for everything including buying your weekly groceries? Oops, the cancer of the commerce clause hadn't been contracted yet.

[sinkspur]

It's the few tattered shreds of the 4th amendment which cover, like a mostly rotten fig leaf, the right to not have your own activities snooped into absent a nontrivial degree of showing that something is probably criminally wrong therewith.

Give me an example where this has happened in your life since the Patriot Act was enacted.

[Lazamataz]

I thounght he was ignorant for posting "not any more"

Okay.

and you seem ignorant of what the post was even about.

And you're just plain ignorant.

[HiTech RedNeck]

Does it have to have happened to me personally (or for me to have known about it) in order for me to care? I guess because I am not a woman I should not give a flying fart about abortions.