Bush hasn't justified war (GREELEY ALERT)

Chicago Sun-Times ^ | December 26, 2003 | ANDREW GREELEY

[FreeReign]

Sec Rum stated that no wmd were found.

The UN inspections found anthrax and other biological WMD several years back in Iraq. Saddam was told to get rid of these WMD and he was told to prove that he was getting rid of these WMD.

Saddam never did prove anything -- Saddam got what he deserved.

[Barnacle]

Greeley is an embarrassment to good Irish Catholics.

[headsonpikes]

Wow, this guy needs an enema.

Give this guy a thorough enema, and he'd disappear.

[inPhase]

Saddam has not yet received what he deserves. Luckily so far they are too lo tech to use bio agents, but the pc nature of some aspects of the fight on terrorism can only help the arabs. We need to profile as a minimum.

[FreeReign]

Homeland defense takes us to bigger gov since lbj. BrianS posts were a good chronicle.

No it doesn't.

In 1968, Federal spending was 20.5% of GDP. In 2002, the last completed calender year, GDP was 19.5% of GDP.

BTW, from 1975 to 1996, federal spending was between 20.3% and 23.5% of GDP.

[inPhase]

Registered Republican I am. I am laughing that I answered you. Cheer up.

[B0rat]

This guy is a nut pure and simple. I have never and I emphasis never heard Vice President Cheney say that he thought Saddam Hussein had anything to do with the attacks of Sept. 11th, 2001. As for "weapons of mass destruction" does this Greeley character just have selective amnesia when it comes to the gassing of the Kurds in the 1980's? Also the accumulation of evidence that Hussein was associating with terrorists is devastatingly overwhelming. The most telling thing about this piece is the embittered reference to a GOP stranglehold on American politics. Clearly this is a Democrat who is diluted about the fact that his party is out of touch with Post-Sept 11th 2001 America.

[inPhase]

Sounds like you know about this. What do the numbers look like for inclusion of HD? I am reading in the news without challenge -- and in the Congressional record that this is the biggest gov and gov exp since lbj from Republican senators too. Of course the devil is in the numbers.

How about pulling numbers for the Army, say? Anyone know? I know DOD has soared, but am reading that the ARmy is getting the shaft.

[mewzilla]

Greeley can't justify the previous so-called peace.

[FreeReign]

Sounds like you know about this. What do the numbers look like for inclusion of HD? I am reading in the news without challenge -- and in the Congressional record that this is the biggest gov and gov exp since lbj from Republican senators too. Of course the devil is in the numbers. How about pulling numbers for the Army, say? Anyone know? I know DOD has soared, but am reading that the ARmy is getting the shaft.

I believe our DOD discretionary spending is down with most of our new defense spending being done accross all of the departments as part of Homeland defense. Before Homeland Defense, the presidnet's discretionary budget was flat relative to GDP. Since HD, the discretionary department budgets have received on average, a +4% increase over GDP over the last two budget years.

Of course, at the discretion of the current congress and president, the future nondiscretionary spending problem will be this new Prescription Drug benifit. But that's a different subject, aye?

[inPhase]

hey thanks.

Happy New year best yet.

Good skiing day in the Sierras!

[Chi-townChief]

I would say that Greeley is an embarrassment to all mammals.

[Old Student]

Just might have something to do with the mural they found showing airliners with Iraqi markings crashing into the WTC. That convinced me pretty thoroughly.

[CWOJackson]

He's mammalian?

[Barnacle]

LOL

[Mike4Freedom]

Just because France and Germany told Saddam they would keep the US from attacking, doesn't mean the teeth of 1441 were not valid. The vote, BTW, on 1441 was 17-0.

Resolution 1441 had no teeth. It explicitly stated that any force would require further approval from the Security Council. The attempt to get this approval failed and the request was withdrawn rather than let such a lopsided vote of 4 out of 15 to be recorded.

[rogator]

They admitted to having the WMDs. Where is the proof positive that they destroyed them?

[Mike4Freedom]

Ignorance is the primary reason for the dire insignificance of the Libertarian party. You people are simple minded, in-your-face CLUELESS as well as pompously irrelevant.

Actually, I find Libertarians smarter and more morally aware than the average. That is why they put their efforts into a small party. They understand and are confident in their opinion that neither of the old parties is worth the powder to blow it to hell. No matter who is in power, the government grows, both in dollar terms and in terms of intrusions into our lives.

Liberal Democrats are at least getting what they say they want, however foolish their wants are. Conservative Republicans are currently being bamboozled really bad. You all are putting your support to a bunch of dangerous neo-conservative would be tyrants.

Your president has:
Instituted a large welfare type benefit for prescription drugs that we cannot possibly pay for.
Put people in jail without any pretense of due process and kept them there for more than 18 months and counting
Made numerous false statements to justify an illegal and weakening war
Signed the campaign finance reform measure that endangers First Amendment free speech
Promised to sign a renewal of the assault weapons ban

This is not what a conservative does. Bush is not a conservative, even if he supports you on abortion. That is just not enough.

[rogator]

Isn't an attempt to kill the President of the United States in itself justification for war?

[Mike4Freedom]

It is clearly stated, and accurate in every detail, in this insignificant little speech: http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/01/20030128-19.html

Thanks for the link. I reread the State of the Union speech. I found that I had forgotten the other wild falsehood in it, the high strength aluminum tubes. Notice how that story got buried after some scientists finally got it out to the press that it was impossible to use those tubes for refining Uranium.