Posted on 12/22/2003 3:22:02 PM PST by Ol' Dan Tucker
Edited on 04/14/2004 10:06:33 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]
I was making fun of Dornan and his campaign volunteer, Yvonne Wachter's statements concerning Rohrabacher's co-authorship of a medicinal marijuana bill.
Rohrabacher says it's to ease suffering and they say it's because he's a reefer advocate. To coin a phrase popular with a certain contingent of FReepers, a doper.
I quote:
"I do believe that marijuana is a threat and is harmful," Rohrabacher said. "But that doesn't mean that if someone is sick and it will help their appetite, we should arrest them. I'm not for changing federal laws, but if the states want it, they should be allowed to proceed."
Rohrabacher is also critical of some drug laws that result in users being imprisoned, saying intervention – and even mandatory drug testing for high school students – would be better. However, he said he is not advocating changing any drug laws. Dornan, 70, questions the motive behind Rohrabacher's medicinal-marijuana bill.
"This is all a bogus smokescreen for the legalization of recreational use of mind-altering chemical substances," Dornan said. "Anybody's who's ill is told, 'We can give a THC (marijuana's active ingredient) substance to you, a legal pill or patch.'"
Wachter goes on to say:
"He's an advocate for reefer," said Wachter, a Dornan campaign volunteer. "When you give states' rights on this, you give growers a free pass. We'll have fields of reefer."
So, to me, Mencken's quote perfectly describes Dornan and his supporters description as the stereotypical puritans, not Puritans. The accuracy of any such sterotyping notwithstanding.
In a debate on any subject, use the key phrase "30-06." B-1 Bob will launch himself into a dissertation on the ballistics of the round, the story of the '03 Springfield, the development of the M1 Garand, and marksmanship. As soon as he is out of breath, (O, say 2-6 hours later) say the words, "Spitfire and Me-109." B-1 will launch into a series of monologues that would shame the History Channel, including quotes from Winston Churchill, Hermann Goering, and probably Eva Braun. When he is through, (say a-day-and-a-half later), he will sing 'Lili Marlene.'
This man is so mind-numbingly boring, that when a Polish girl pretending to be a Mexican cheated him out of his seat, nobody cared. They were relieved! Ya gotta love this guy. (During the campaign, in which Loretta mobilized dead, incarcerated, and never-existent illegal aliens, when someone pointed out that Loretta was Polish, and not Mexican, Bob launched into an incredibly informative lecture on Polish cavalry tactics as applied against the Wermacht) He is like every know-it-all in every bar from here to Alameda.
Love-ya Bob. You're over.
Oh, really? I guess we have to ignore the Feds predilection to prosecute any one who beats a murder rap under the civil rights statute
Nope. Sure can't.
"Rosenthal, 58, is now facing charges of cultivating more than 100 marijuana plants at a San Francisco medical marijuana club, conspiracy to grow more than 1,000 marijuana, and maintaining a place to grow marijuana at an Oakland warehouse. The warehouse reportedly contained several thousand tiny starter plants that Rosenthal says were intended for distribution to medical marijuana patients who want to grow their own cannabis."
--alternet.org
Wanna bet it wouldn't be "fields of reefer" if Rosenthal had his way?
So what? Who (besides DEA JBTs and the WOD cheerleaders on FR) cares?
Guess what? The voters of the State of California authorized him to do this when they passed Prop 215.
Do you have a problem when a majority of voters pass laws in their own state, Mr. Federalist?
Do federal laws trump state laws, Mr. I-Don't-Know-or-Care-About-The-10th-Amendment?
Well, your buddy, Ol' Dan Tucker, scoffed at the notion.
So what is it guys?
They need to ban dancing too close, too.
Not if they're constitutional laws. Do you support voters in a state passing unconstitutional laws, Mr. Anarchy?
"Do federal laws trump state laws, Mr. I-Don't-Know-or-Care-About-The-10th-Amendment?
Every time. It's called the Supremacy Clause, found in Article VI of the U.S. Constitution.
Please point to the area of the constitution that says that all laws passed by the voters in a state are unconstitutional.
Please point to the area of the constitution that specifically bans the use of marijuana for any purpose, medical or otherwise.
Please point to the court decisions that say that all medical marijuana laws are unconstitutional and as such are null and void. IN EVERY STATE THAT HAS PASSED SUCH LAWS.
Every time. It's called the Supremacy Clause, found in Article VI of the U.S. Constitution.
I see.
Then what is the point of including the 9th and 10th Amendments into the constitution if Article VI says that the federal government is the supreme law of the land?
Getting back to the topic of this thread, who do you support, Dopey Dornan or Doper Dana?
There goes B-1 Bob again, makin' friends.
I give up.
What is it?
White women will undoubtedly be raped by negro jazz musicians, that's what.
And influencing people.
I don't think the result will be what he is after...
Still laughin' at that statement, or does it have the ring of truth in it?
bassmaner doesn't see anything laughable. As a matter of fact, he says, "So what?" He believes it.
What are you talking about? Proposition 215 is only valid at the state level. In no way does it change federal law, which prevails over state law.
The Controlled Substances Act of 1970 specifically bans the use of marijuana for any purpose, medical or otherwise. The CSA has been upheld by the courts as constitutional.
If a state law conflicts with federal law, federal law prevails. Period.
"Then what is the point of including the 9th and 10th Amendments into the constitution if Article VI says that the federal government is the supreme law of the land?"
The states may write all the constitutional laws they wish. All of these laws are valid, as long as they don't conflict with federal law.
And feel free to support whomever. I don't live there.
Any opinions on the original topic or did you just stop by to argue (some more) about the WOD?
This is a local story. Dornan is looking for an issue to run on. He thinks it's drugs. Good luck.
I was more interested in addressing the broader issues brought up by the posters rather than, "Is the drug issue the right one for Bob Dornan?" Yawn.
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